from the death penalty and whether we should expect other similar trials, we are discussing with serhii harmashpresentative of the former tripartite contact group from ukraine mr. garmash good evening good evening let's start with why russia and donetsk controlled by its forces, this demonstrative trial and specifically, what is russia trying to achieve here, well , first of all, i think russia and the so-called authorities of the dpr are interested in becoming subjects at the international level, that is, now they actually want great britain or morocco to talk to them, too, and unfortunately by the way, the british authorities have verbally given signals that they will challenge the verdict of the dnr, with this, in fact, they will recognize the court, firstly, the so-called dnr, and secondly, the so-called dnr is alone, and therefore i think that there was a lack of elaboration. are there any alternatives? here at britain, in particular, if they want to save their citizens, well, that is, it would be better to do it here. i think everyone understands that the dpr is a puppet of a structure th