would you state your amendment, commissioner seriina. >> i would amend to say the appointment subject to the approval and confirmation by the san francisco board of supervisors will be renewed every four years as it comes due. >> will be renewed every four years. could i, you had a second? would the second --. >> second. >> it has been moved and seconded that we amend this. the president will appoint one member of the commission to the public authority's in home support services governing body subject to confirmation by the san francisco board of supervisors will be renewed every four years. okay, all in favor? opposes? ayes have it and so the motion is carried. thank you. so we move that one. next on the subject to approval remove to page, i hope i have it right, page 6. okay, these are the added paragraphs, under standing committees. we have, one of the things i really explained why we have it here because we have no orientation. so the bylaws will serve as an orientation as to what we are doing and why we are doing it so this is why we adding this to the, this making it very clear

as of now, commissioner seriina is serving in that position and we just wanted to, there was not in our bylaws and we're adding it to the bylaws. any other commissioner? >> is that for one term of four years or annually? >> it's subject to every four years, i think, approval by the board of supervisors subject to the appointment by the president. but as president james has pointed out, it has been an on-going practice that has not been institutionalized in the bylaws. >> currently or in the past i think we require con firmed by the board of supervisors or just appoint by the president of this commission is good enough. >> the appointment must be confirmed by the board of supervisors. the applicant will go to the rules committee and then the rules committee will make a recommendation to the full board. >> thank you for your information. >> there was a question about whether we should add the term every four years. is that -- because we were not -- is that every 4 year term? so that probably i would, could we, do you want to make a motion to amend it to say every four years? >> so moved.

. >> commissioner seriina. >> thank you very much, i certainly am impressed with the complexity of the detail the state wanted and i can see why it was such a challenge for you. question on the first page. that is the column says percentage difference between the contractors, it's 53 percent correct, it would seem to me it should be closer to 300 percent because the actual amount is $87,800 and the original amount was $2600. >> you are right and that's a formula i cannot correct because it's a state form but i will let them know they need to correct that formula. >> any other questions? commissioner ow. >> go page -- back to page 10, the second lot. for the tai chi trainer, $36,000 is roughly $3,000 per month, right? it's one year program. how many hours --. >> realistically it will be about six months. >> the first page you indicated starting in july 1st. >> correct, we didn't have any program implemented at all during july through september. >> i just wonder for this $36,000 how many hours he works or how many classes he going to train and you say this master tai chi trainer will tra

. >> commissioner seriina. >> can i --. >> hold on, commission seriina. >> i would also like to remind my colleague on the commission that linda specifically stated that there are criteria that must be met regarding this tai chi training and she has preliminarily identified a provider in oregon but has not selected that provider. if a local provider should become available then that option will be considered. budgets are not money that is spent already, it is money to be spent on a preliminary basis and they are subject to revision. i personally think that to micromanage $600 in travel expense and to belabor the point for this amount of time is not suitable for us as a commission or for member s of the public or to subject staff to that kind of detailed analysis when it's a preliminary basis and that has been articulated very clearly from the beginning. >> did i hear somebody say? it's on the record, we can turn back the, you know, the recording, that linda means linda low? has determined somebody in oregon is qualified to be this tai chi instructor, right? you have determined -- we ca

as of now, commissioner seriina is serving in that position and we just wanted to, there was not in our bylaws and we're adding it to the bylaws. any other commissioner? >> is that for one term of four years or annually? >> it's subject to every four years, i think, approval by the board of supervisors subject to the appointment by the president. but as president james has pointed out, it has been an on-going practice that has not been institutionalized in the bylaws. >> currently or in the past i think we require con firmed by the board of supervor

vice president seriina, here. commissioner itani, here. commissioner loo, here. commissioner ow, here. commissioner roy, here. please note executive secretary ann hinton is present ?oo ?a we have the agenda and i have been informed that item c under new business will be taken off the, has been requested to be taken off the agenda. could i have a motion to approve the agenda with that change? >> so moved. >> second. >> it's been moved and seconded that we approve the agenda removing item b under new business. all in favor, aye. opposed? ayes have it so the motion is carried. thank you. next we have approval of the consent agenda with all items. >> so moved. >> seconded. >> it has been moved and seconded that we have approval of the consent agenda. all in favor? opposed? the ayes have it so the motion is carried. thank you. next item on the agenda is approval of the october 1 commission meeting minutes. is there any changes? has everybody had a chance to look at the minutes? >> i move we accept the minutes as submitted. >> it's been moved and seconded that we appro

>> commissioner seriina and then you can respond. >> thank you, anne, for reminding us that the department puts together a very, very thorough documentation for each and every request that comes before us. secondly, it's important to remember that this commission is free to reject a contract that comes before it if it does not feel is appropriate and it has done so. and so that if a commissioner feels that the information is inadequate or that the purpose of the contract is inappropriate, that can be mentioned at the time that the item is scheduled for discussion on the agenda and if other commissioners agree that contract can be rejected. and it has happened. >> you know --. >> commissioner ow. >> by legislation they created a department of commission on aging and at the same time they created the commission, you know this, and then we supposed to follow all the policy enunciated by the supervisors and the mayor. and then we know that, you know, reports go in and reports go out and then the commission have a responsibility -- they give us the responsibility, you know, to appropriate money

. >> okay, are there any questions, anybody want -- yes, commissioner seriina. >> i think this is a very good idea. i just have a question, is there a time period involved, is it four meetings within one year, 4 meetings within an individual's term? it just says four so i didn't know if there was a time period. >> can we change it to four continuous absence. >> hold on. i want to answer his question. well, we thought about that. i looked at four regular scheduled, that seems to say if they are regularly scheduled meetings that would be four continuous meetings. you know, they are scheduled so that means you would have four regular meetings. at least that's the way i am interpreting. any other discussion on this point? >> yes, i have --. >> wait just a minute, i'm on this point, not on yours. so that was --. >> let me make sure i --. >> let him --. >> let me make sure i understand. if the meetings are scheduled for november and december of one calendar year as well as january and february of the other calendar year, that would count as four consecutive --. >> right. i think in june or jul