rodriguez, who also used to do graffiti illegally, serveed as his mentor. rodriguez is a designer for his business in the san jose shop. it has clothing and art, including graffiti inspired designs. >> for the most part, graffiti is abstract, it's a butch of geometric shapes, you're giving topography i, taking each letter, stretching it out. if the letter was dough, you're stretching out the end. >> theythe graffiti movement has been around since the 1960s, '70s and '80s. it is defined at unauthorized writing or drawing on a surface, but it can describe an artistic style used in legal artwork. >> he won grant money to work with community members on this mural. >> it really opened my eyes to how people see public art, and how you can see it as a positive thing, and you can say hey, let's beautify the neighborhood, and you can take away hostility, and you know, questioning, like who are you to come into my neighborhood? and tell me what art is and put it up on my walls? >> while both say the mural received mostly positive feedback, it also received a few nega