let me bring in former navy admiral and former congressman joe sestak. john mccain says these air strikes have been ineffective. i don't see how that could be a conclusion he could reasonably draw. what's your response? the people on the ground, s kurds themselves and refugees all credited the strikes. we have an aircraft carrier out there that is going to continue to do strikes in order to stop isis' advance. in the meantime, we are provide being arms to the kurds. cia already began to do that and not a question in my mind we'll get sufficient armed forces, not our men and women to the iraqi government. it is it theirs to own. military can stop a problem, michael, but we can't fix a problem. if we're going to fix this problem, we have to make sure the kurds and sunnis and shia own it. that's why the president is also working on a political resolution. removing maliki, having someone come in who's a shia but inclusive of the sunni tribes, that they won't want the sunni isis terrorist embedded with them. this is pretty delicate situation. i think we're do

i want to go back, admiral sestak to your previous comment about the kurds. how good is the kurds when it comes to military resource and operations and how would you pair them up against isis? who's a better army? who's more fit and more driven? >> well, the kurds were the best forces in the earl early '90s, if you remember general zindy went over there and air lifted 600 pilots a day as saddam hussein was trying to eradicate the kurds. ask turkey. >> but admiral, that was 20 years ago -- >> over time -- >> yeah, okay. >> over time their training -- with the right quick forces there, some potential that we can bring turkey and other places, i think they can be rapidly brought up to speed. they are tough. ask general zinny, they are pretty tough. i think we can with them doing that with can stop them. >> so it would be pure speculation for us to say this, but i think it's within the conversation in the realm of possibility here, that arming the kurds is an option to make sure that we don't end up with boots on the ground, that we could keep our air strikes and