saudi arabia should be there to counter the iranian expansionism, but saudi arabia is up sestak its fight against radical islam while it is the mother and father of radical islam. saudi arabia should adapt again its origin, traditions, go back to it without radicalism and iranian for -- to expansionism. thank you very much. [applause] >> thank you. now for our second speaker, ristian ulrichsen. >> thank you very much for the introduction and for the invitation. i will not reiterate what jamal khashoggi has said but will add my own thoughts on some of the changes we have seen, which have been interpreted as has een said as varying degrees of power plays or of this sweeping away of the new -- of the old saudi state. again, i think it is too early to tell. what i would just say would be saudi ould think the way we have known since 1963 that came into being has -- is slipping away. and we are seeing really the passing of the old guard. in part it's because of natural causes over the past seven years. some of the key figures in the ld guard have passed away. in 2011, the defense minister for 4