seth godin, who in the video is one of our instructors, we have five professors from harvard business school who teach online courses. we film them. we served 174 this calendar year. we are hoping to serve a thousand a year. they learn in online training and then come together to apply information they are learning. laura: i wonder with online training, part of what works is bringing people together in a physical space to get that in person training. catherine: we have events every month in silicon valley. we have a mentoring program that is one on one. we have here groups. i don't think people transform just by watching something online. it is through relationships we heal. laura: to me, the idea that people who have been in prison gangs, drugs makes sense to me. it dawned on me but i did not do anything about it and you did. yet i wonder, how do you decide which people are going to work in this program? it is probably not something for everyone. catherine: the number one thing we look for is, do they take ownership of their past and want to transform their future? if they want a han