we turn now to seth jones, who worked for the commander of u.s. special forces in afghanistan from 2009 to 2011, and is now a senior political scientist at the rand corporation. and steve clemons, editor-at- large at the "atlantic" and director of the american strategy program at the new america foundation. first, we have the desecration of the corpses. then we have the burning of the koran. is this strike three in. >> i think it's strike three. i know there's a difference of opinion out there. it's hard to imagine an incident that could become more viral and not only in when the tragedy of what just unfolded but of being something that the taliban can exploit over time because there's such an immediate call now for justice against or from the person who allegedly committed these crimes. and our u.s. military system of justice will run right against the afghan expectation of how their justice system should work. so this incident will remain ripe and alive for a long period of time. i think be very substantial in souring a relationship and changing

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according to seth jones, who served as an advisor to the training teams until last year, the sergeant might even have known some of his victims. >> it's a very hands-on effort that needs interacting with villagers literally 24 hours a day, seven days a week. >> reporter: this soldier likely knew these people? >> it's possible. in most cases a soldier would be extremely well-acquainted with villagers. >> reporter: according to jones, this part of southern afghanistan has been fought over ferociously. >> it has changed hands multiple times between the taliban on the one hand and the afghan government and nato forces on the other. >> reporter: the villagers were caught in the middle just trying to survive. >> they will shift to support whichever side is in control. >> reporter: none of which explains why an american soldier would kill children in what military defense attorney neal puckett says could be tried as a case of premeditated murder. >> based on the facts we know now, this would be a case where the army absolutely would start out, at least, seeking the death penalty and refer it

seth jones spent years in afghanistan. recently as senior adviser to the commanding general. phil carter, official for the obama administration. good to have you with us. seth, let me start with you. what happens from here? is this something that becomes turning point if the burning of the korans was not one? >> i think what's important here, we've seep it in past cases. there have to be -- this was justice done to local tribes, that has to be done fairly quickly. the political process we're doing in the u.s. military can be a little prolonged, but i think afghans have to see something so is moving fairly quickly. >> and certainly as more and more troops leave was u.s. soldiers or u.s. forces working with afghans. hand in hand, right? side by side. is that even possible at this point? >> no, there's a huge trust deficit here and this incident, if only this incident were the only thing we had to worry about. there was a trust deficit caused by the burning of the korans. by the shooting of the two officers at ministry of the interior. there's a trust deficit caused by our relati

and seth jones is a senior political scientist at the rand corporation. with me in new york, dexter filkins, he writes for the "new yorker" magazine and has covered wars in iraq and afghanistan. and jere van dyke, a journalist and consultant for cbs news. i am pleased to have them on this program. let me begin with dexter since he's sitting to my left. what now? >> well, i think this is the beginning of the end. certainly feels that way. i think the question is what... the only question is what the end looks like. if, as president obama has said, we stop fighting there by next year and we will be gone by 2014 i mean, i think at this point it looks pretty bleak. if you just take exhibit a, the afghan government, the government that we have largely built in which the americans are fighting and daying to defend it is corrupt from top to bottom. it does not have a large degree of support of the afghan people. can that outlast our presence after we leave? there's not a lot of evidence in that can. it's not looking good right now. >> rose: seth, what now? >> i

there's a comment here from seth g. jones, a senior political scientist at the rand corporation. he said it takes months and months to build the trust of the local populations, and then something like this happens and it's gone, literally overnight. missouri, independent caller, good morning. caller: good morning. i just wanted to put forward a little bit different perspective on this. i'm hearing a lot of sympathy for the soldiers who did this, and i have no sympathy at all for anyone who murdered innocent civilians. the perspective i wanted to give is a little bit of perspective of some of the afghan people. we have this myth that the afghan people are all fundamentalists who, you know, are out protesting the quran burning. now, most of the afghan people weren't in that protests. most of the afghan people hate the taliban, and the taliban wouldn't have come to town if it weren't for the things that the u.s. and soviet union did. afghanistan was a liberal secular democracy in the 1970's, and until the soviets started to get involved, then the taliban came out of those afghan ref