seth mcfarland, the man behind "family guy" and the movie "ted" will host the next oscar ceremony. he joked he hopes organizers don't find out he also hosted the charlie sheen roast. >> i think the audience will be very nervous. >>> well, adele can add bond girl to her resume. she's going to debut the theme to the latest bond film "skyfall" this friday at 007 london time. >> she got her voices back. >> she came back a while ago though. >>> 37-year-old drew barrymore who got married in june has given birth to a little girl named olive. >>> oprah winfrey tops this year's "forbes" list of highest paid women earning $165 million between may 2011 and may 2012. >>> and finally, taylor swift. she is telling her ex john mayer is being presumptuous by thinking the song "dear john" is about him. in june mayer told "rolling stone" that that song was cheap and humiliating. it's always a clue when the name is in the song. did he date a lot of johns? >> i don't know. >> i think she needs to have somebody else write her songs. >> you're a little sour on taylor swift. she's the innocent one. >> do

. >>> finally, a surprise, family guy creator seth mcfarland will host the 2013 oscars ceremony in loses. >> this will be the first time he's hosted. >> he made his directorial debut this year with ted which took in 420 million dollars at the box office. he also hosted the season opener of "saturday night live" last month. >> oscars will be right here on abc7 on february 24 . >> it is the first time he's been on an oscar stage. >> he looks glamorous. >> we know he has talent. >> he does. >> mr. glamour himself checking in on today's weather. >> spencer is upstairs. we have temperatures right now already in the 70s and 80s on our way to 80s and 90s. some 70s at the coast. >> have a great day.

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. >>> finally, a surprise, family guy creator seth mcfarland will host the 2013 oscars ceremony in los this will be the first time he's hosted. >> he made his directorial debut this year with ted which took in 420 million dollars at the box office. he also hosted the season opener of "saturday night live" last month. >> oscars will be right here on abc7 on february 24 . >> it is the first time he's been on an oscar stage. >> he looks glamorous. >> we know he has talent. >> he does. >> mr. glamour himself checking in on today's weather. >> spencer is upstairs. we have temperatures right now already in the 70s and 80s on our way to 80s and 90s. some 70s at the coast. ron: years ago i made a promise to provide the best for my family, in sickness and in health. carol and i needed help figuring out what's covered by medicare and what's not. so we turned to the same folks we've relied on for health insurance all these years. announcer: ron and carol called anthem blue cross and found an affordable medicare plan that pays for some costs original medicare won't. now they can keep making memori

seth mcfarland, the man behind "family guy" and the movie "ted" will host the next oscar ceremony. he hopes organizers don't find out that he also hosted the charlie sheen roast. that may not help. >>> well, adele can add bond girl to her resume. she'll debut it at 007 london time. >>> 37-year-old drew berry more has given birth to a little girl named olive. >>> oprah winfrey tops the list earning $165 million between may 2011 and may 2012. >>> and finally, taylor swift. she keeps outdoing herself. she tells glamor magazine her exjohn mayer is being presumptuous thinking that her song dear john is about him. she never discloses that information. in june mayer told rolling stone that that song was cheap and humiliating. >> she's like a magician. she doesn't want to give up her secret. >> it's like when you put his name in the song. >> do you think she minimized the dating pool that she could potentially -- do you think some guys would be nervous to date her? >> absolutely terrified. it's like would it be worth it? >> yeah. that weather man bill song she's coming out with, brutal. >>

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also there was seth mcfarland, creator of "the family guy" who will host the oscars. politics says president obama blinked at a rate of 70.8 times per minute last week. much more than mitt romney. it's a measure of stress, but does it definitely say which candidate will win in november? on "meet the press," nbc political director chuck todd said that president obama may have a problem because hispanic voters are not as enthuse see as 12ik as they were in 2008. >> even though he's going to get more hispanics if less of them turn out, it's a net zero and yet you look at republican enthusiasm up, senior enthusiasm up. by the way, all of this, pre-debate. >>> on abc's this week paul krugman hammered the media for not fact checking mitt romney in the debate. >> the news media will not cover me as long as i forcefully say he won. >> the press is against obama now? >> it doesn't know how to handle untruths. >>> and a strange political endorsement online from that wild and crazy guy, steve martin. he made a issatira krzyzewski video on how to use paper and paper clips. >>> an

. >>> family guy creator seth mcfarland will host the oscars.says he's honored and hopes the academy doesn't find out he was master of ceremonies for the roast of charlie sheen. the 2012 acme awards will air -- academy awards will air on february 24th. >> saw that roast with charlie sheen, very funny, a little raunchy but pretty funny. >> 72 was the high, light showers in the metro area, that's kind of the bad news. the good news is we have light showers, nothing heavy for the metro area. october 1st is what, anita? >> it's the start of breast cancer awareness, also domestic violence. there's a lot of awareness months right now. >> let me show you the live shot outside, our live weather cam brought to you by michael and son. >> beautiful, the white house in pink. >> 66 right now, light showers, dew point 53. the temps going down, dew point coming up to meet it, winds out of the west, northwest now at 5 miles an hour. satellite picture radar combined, this is going to be the main focus of the heavy activity in the ohio valley. the area of low pre

. >>> comedy writer and producer seth mcfarland has been named host of the oscars in 2013.ost americans know him as the creator of the family guy. the academy says they chose him because of the success of his big screen directial day -- directorial debuts. the comedy was one of the largest grossing films of the year making more than $400 million. they're hoping to attract the young ones, too. >> i saw the commercials for this movie and thought it was never going to do well. then i went to see it and laughed my tail off. >> you and jessica both loved it. >>> imagine being able to control your computer with just swiping your hand or wiggling your fingertip sphs. >> that vision is not too far away. we report on how you might be able to finally put your mouse to rest. >> reporter: 3-d motion sensing technology tracks all ten fingers down to the tiniest wiggle. >> very fast in responses. it's not just good for big motions like this but also for very, very tiny motions like this. that's just one centimeter right there. it's easy. >> reporter: thousands of developers around the wo

oscar producer as announced yesterday that seth mcfarland will be hosting the big event.nnounced on january 10th and the big show is february 4th. i heard him say yesterday that someone even asked him aquestion about doing an awards show. ' like no one knows who i am. clearly, that's not the case. >> we'll know now. he will be right up there on the stage. >> he is big time. we still have plenty ahead. weather, traffic and all your topper toies. >> fox 5 morning news continues right now. right now. >>> good morning, everyone. it is tuesday, october 2nd. it is a great day for nats fans. of course, clinching the division title. look at them there celebrating. what a great night it was. even though it is kind of word

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seth mcfarland will be hosting the academy awards.s will be the first time the family guy creator and head director will host the show. some are saying it's another bid to try to draw in a younger crowd. he recently hosted the 38th season debut of "saturday night live" and the charlie sheen roast last year. the oscars air often february 24th. he may soon be over. keebler is afraid it will be dumped any minute. he was seen crying at an event last week. >> getting our first look at vanessa and nick lachey's bundle of joy. they tweeted this picture of camden sleeping in his mother's arms. they had the baby last month. he is a little guy right there. >>> now for your starting lineup. stories making headlines at this hour. the bears defense with tony roam mow. he picked off roam mow five times. dallas falls to 2 and 2 on the season. they stand for division champs. >> there they are celebrating the washington nationals winning their first division title. they clinched the national league east after the braves lost. it will be the first time

seth mcfarland will host. if you wonder why the academy picked a guy best known for his work on animated shows like "family guy" you're not alone. jason kennedy has more from hollywood. jason, good morning to you. >> reporter: hey, savannah, good morning. i'm outside of the theater in hollywood where seth mcfarland will host the oscars in february. this announcement came as a bit of a shock to many in the movie industry considering seth made one movie, the film "ted." take a look. >> seth mcfarland. >> his appearance as guest host on the premier of "saturday night live" according to hollywood insiders may very well have cemented his choice as host of the 85th academy award show. >> look, will you stop fighting. it's a private conversation. hey, can anybody get in on this? >> for the uninitiated that's mcfarland doing a rip of cartoon voices from his hit tv series "family guy" now in its 11th season. >> any baby with a brain. >> he is the creator, writer and producer of "family guy" and its spin-offs. they are

. >> screw seth mcfarland. >> i wish. >> quickly, big show this sunday? >> yes, 7:00 at

seth mcfarland got the nod today. its his first time hosting a big gig like this.olden statues will be handed out february 24th. >> new tonight on the news edge at 6:00, fighting parker meter fraud. d.c. rolls out a new plan to preserve metered spaces for disabled drivers and trying to make you happy at the same time. >> plus there is concerns about question 7 in maryland. the governor there puts all of the rumors to rest about gambling revenue. >> and bonnie and clyde are still capturing the interest of history buffs long after the heists. those stories and more coming your way on the news edge at 6:00. who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe that government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you-name-it... and they will vote for this president no matter what... and so my job is not to worry about those people. i'll never convince them they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives. who move our country forward, work hard, rai

. >> seth mcfarland. >> it's an unusual choice. >> he opened the season of "snl" and it was brilliantewhat of an audition, was told he if did an amazing job, he would get the gig. and he did a comedy central roast. i went to one of those roasts, they're so cheeky and naughty. >> they're filthy. raunchy. >> they are filthy. >> but he's hysterically funny and he's really smart. >> we can expect a naughtier version of the academy awards. >> i don't think a lot of people know much about him. i think they're going to learn about him when he's up there. i hope he keeps it classy. it will not be in his nature, i don't think. >> he's so talented, he doesn't have to be that way. >> if he sings, it will be a home run. they do all of those dance numbers and stuff on "family guy." my kids wanted to watch "family guy" when they were growing up. i would come in and go -- wait. that's so inappropriate -- wait. don't touch it. and i would start screaming, i'm sorry, he's really talented guy. >> we've got to talk about honey boo-boo's payday. >> she was getting between $4,000 and $7,000 an episode. no

. >> screw seth mcfarland. >> i wish. >> quickly big show this sunday? >> yes 7:00 at gothem comedy club. contact me through the website and i can get you two for one passes.

. >>> seth mcfarland will be the hose of next year's academy -- host of next year's academy awards, famousor being creator of the tv series family guy, but the film academy made it clear the movie ted is the real reason behind the choice. ted took many more than $420 million this summer at the box office, one of the highest grossing films of the year. >>> it's also a big day for one of cbs tv's biggest stars. ncis actor mark harmon was honored today with a star on the hollywood walk of fame. cbs' president joined him on hollywood boulevard today. the honor comes six days after the drama started its 10th banner season. >>> still ahead a new study tries to ease concerns about the safety of the hpv vaccine. >> but up next see what happens when a deer gets involved in a downhill road race. yikes. >> and don't forget we're always on at www.wusa9.com. stay with us. we'll be right back. too many americans are struggling to find work in today's economy. too many of those who are working are living paycheck to paycheck trying to make falling incomes meet rising prices for food and gas. more america

. >>> just weeks after hosting the season premiere of "saturday night live," seth mcfarland will host the oscars. this will be the first time the creator of "family guy" has hosted a big telecast of any kind. he said it's an overwhelming privilege to host the oscars. it will air in february. >>> one more check on the weather, veronica. and it's going to rain off and on for about the next 24 hours? >> yes. through most of tomorrow, i think we're going to see that rain. we'll be kind of dodging the rain drops. sometimes those drops will be pretty heavy. we could have pretty good puddles out there by noon tomorrow. we'll see the radar fill in with a lot more of the green come 9:00, 10:00 p.m. tomorrow morning, during the rush hour, some pockets of moderate and heavy rain. so you might want to leave early. today, we were a little on the cool side. upper 60s to the 70s. 83 on wednesday. 82 on thursday. we break out with more sunshine on friday. the high 80. then a major, huge drop with a strong front coming through next weekend. 65 on the weekend. low 60s for the beginning of next week. so

i like seth mcfarland. i watch family guy. have the viewing habits of a 14-year-old boy. >> i have a 13-year-old. so i can't have it on. 15 minutes past the hour, it's time for early reads. this is your local news making national headlines. >> first from the philadelphia enquirer, police are investigating an incidents caught on video and posted on you-tube. it shows a highway patrol supervisor punching a woman in the face. apparently without warning. during puerto rican day parade in philadelphia. police say they believe the woman was throwing water or beer at the cops. philadelphia police say the lieutenant has been identified and taken off the street. they're conducting a full scale investigation. >>> next up, a story in "the new york times." a brooklyn drug bust, including a 3 foot long alligator. investigators think the couple they arrested were keeping it as a pet. there's a picture for you. police say they also found guns and pot inside the home. the couple was charged with harboring a prohibited animal, in addition to d

he beat out former president bill clinton, actor and family guy creator seth mcfarland and actor josephordon leavitt for the top five. last year's winner was steve jobs. >> where's howard? >> where is howard? where is sean connery? taken 2 takes the box office. it took in more than $22 million in ticket sales over the weekend. argo came in a close second breaking the $20 million mark in its debut weekend and sinister rounded out the top three. >> i really want to see argo. >>> movie fans looking for halloween thrills will have some new options at the box office. >> alexis christoforous has a look in today's look at entertainment. >> reporter: ghosts from the past reappear in pair norma activity number four, the latest chapter in the thrill series, this time set in the home of a california family with spooky new neighbors. paranormal activity 4 opens friday. also in time for halloween, silent hill, revelation 3-d. >> how can i find my dad? >> reporter: based on the japanese video game franchise the silent hill series tells the story of a teenage girl and her father on the run from danger

that is how seth mcfarland described the moment he was asked to host the oscars. >> the creator of they guy and american dad has agreed to take on the task for the 85th annual academy awards. the producers say their decision came from the huge success of the mcfarland movie ted which has pulled in more than $420 million worldwide. wow. i didn't know that. >> goodness. nominations will be announced in january. the award show airs in february. he also hosted saturday night live and did a very good job. >> yes. >> all right, the hollywood sign on the santa monica mountain top outside los angeles is getting a facelift. the letters of the famous landmark will be stripped down to sheet metal and workers will give them a new coat of white paint. they stand 45 feet tall and all together 350 feet long. the h to be replaced in 1940 when the sign's caretaker destroyed it when he drove off the cliff behind the h, while driving drunk. it is not funny. >> i never heard that story before. >> i just didn't know that was coming in the story. it is not funny. >> did you know that? >> no, but i wish i ha

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seth mcfarland, the man behind tv's family guy and the blockbuster ted he's taking on a new gig, hostings. when he was asked if any of the other animated characters might make cameos he told the hollywood reporter it would be expensive and too soon to say right now. obviously trying to appeal to younger people with that. >> all right. ahead on "starting point" twoferries collide in hong kong. dozens are dead. hong kong police are taking action against crew members and a haphazard google search leads to the arrest of a man the feds have been trying to nab for 30 years. you can't escape technology. alriwoah! did you get that? and...flip! yep, look at this. it takes like 20 pictures at a time. i never miss anything. isn't that awesome? uh that's really cool. you should upload these. i know, right? that is really amazing. the pictures are so clear. kevin's a handsome devil that phone does everything! search dog tricks. okay, see if we can teach him something cool. look at how lazy kevin is. kevin, get it together dude cmon, kevin take 20 pictures with burst shot on the galaxy s3. >>> welcome

now seth mcfarland can add oscar host to his resume.ector will be hosting the 85th annual academy awards, the family guy creator's first time hosting the oscars, which airs sunday, february 24th. >>> arnold schwarzenegger, wow, revealing some incredibly personal details during this interview with "60 minutes". the actor turned politician admits a habit of keeping secrets including multiple affairs he kept from his wife maria shriver. cnn's zoraida sambolin has more from the tell-all autobiography which hits book shelves today. >> i think it was the stupidest thing i've done in the whole relationship. >> reporter: a secret he kept from his wife maria shriver and the public for years. >> it was terrible. i inflicted tremendous pain on maria and unbelievable pain on the kids. >> reporter: the most painful chapter from arnold schwarzenegger's new memoir "total recall," the moment he admitted to shriver he had fathered a child behind her back with the family's housekeeper, mildred baena. >> she then said, hey, i think that joseph is your kid

. >> john: he will be very funny although it is the sort of thing that seth mcfarland would make funink he'll do a fine job but i would expect him to make fun of the spectacle that is the oscars so now that he's part of it it is time to grow up and sell out. >> john: he will make fun of it while he's part of it. >> the beer culture in the u.s. continues to surge. "gq" magazine out with a list of what it believes are the top five beer cities in the u.s. topped by denver by hosts the great american beer festival. san francisco makes the list for its beer foody culture. l.a. and philadelphia are also on there as well as cleveland ohio. "gq" making it clear it loves the cheapest low shelf beer one can find. >> john: top five beer cities. i don't understand this list. it is not in terms of beer consumption. >> no. in terms of beer culture. denver is a huge beer city. >> john: beer museums and beer galleries. >> beer paintings. >> john: you can live in the beer part of town and hang out with your beer friends. brilliant. that's it? that's all we got? are you a big beer guy? >> yeah, i am.

. >> as if he is not already busy enough, seth mcfarland, the creator of the griffin family and the voicers has agreed to helm the 85th annual academy awards. mcfarland called the invitation quote the greatest call i could have gotten in show business. the producers hope to draw on his skills and a singer writer and dancer and the academy awards will air in february. that is really thinking out of the box. >> can't wait. >>> every year, the macarthur foundation awards genius grants to a variety of people looking to work on creative visionary projects. recipients receive $500,000 in grant money to be paid over several years. this year, two people from dc are winners. david finkle is a washington post writer. he will be able to finish a book he began titled the gould soldiers. it is a soldier that recounts his experience in baghdad. and also, denom gestu, a writer who hopes to continue writing novels that chronicle the hardships of african immigrants living in washington, d.c. congratulations. >> uh-huh. >>> it is 8:42. a tuesday morning. coming up next, a part of dc baseball history joins

seth mcfarland will host. guy" and the voice of ted and creator of ted. he hosted on saturday night live and the charlie sheen roast last year. the academy awards will air february 24, 2013. those are your headlines this morning. >> steve: 's funny guy. >> brian: yeah, right. he looks exactly like peter brady. but extremely funny. let's talk about what today is. today is the pregame. the prefight, all the hype can go actually continue today, but ends tomorrow as we finally get underway with these candidates going head to head. i'm excited about this because we'll see these guys shoulder to shoulder and you can not tell me that this will not make a difference in this campaign. if mitt romney comes off too shrill, defensive about his wealth, he could be doomed. if president obama looks as stumped as he did that univision town hall, he could all of a sudden find himself in a chase like he's never been in before. >> steve: sure. apparently what the obama people want to make sure is mr. obama does not appear too lo

seth macarthur. now -- sect mcfarland is a trained singer.t's a little unusual choice as the host is typically a big celebrity movie star. but this should appeal to younger voters. >>> an oakland man has yu received $500,000 and he can do anything he want with it. he was one of 23 winners of the so-called genous awards. he's the funder and ceo of the family independence initiative. it brings together community members to help low-income families, work towards informational educational and financial goals. >>> 7:24. there's another car recall to tell you about. honda recalling 600,000 mid- sized honda accord sedans. it involves accords with v-6 engines built for the we through 2007 year. the power steering hoses can crack. the honda says it won't have enough hoses. if you are having this problem, take your car in to honda. >>> sal? >> it's slow in the south bay. 101 became slow first. 280, people trying to get in the valley. not that much better. 85 is getting slow as well. 237 and 101, all of the ways getting into the valley, about the only t

seth has another hosting gig, the oscars. this will be the first time the family guy creator has hosted a big telecast of any kind. mcfarland says it's an overwhelming privilege to host the oscars and he hopes that they don't find he hosted the charlie sheen host. find out about that. the oscars will air live in february. >>> drivers in southern california are relieved carmageddon once again wasn't as bad as predicted. this time lapse video shows construction crews working on the 405 freeway over the weekend. a ten-mile stretch was shut down. luckily, they finished on time. >>> ads promise thousands of dollars for women to donate their eggs, and they're popping up more and more on college campuses. but is it worth the money? dania baucus has that story. >> reporter: students can make money from their elements. $150 to join a study on athlete's foot, $600 for research on indigestion, but these ads found on benches offer much more. up to $10,000 for young women who sell their eggs to a couple that can't have their own children. >> it is kind of an interesting situation. i'm not using them. so maybe someone else would benefit