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i will be speaker of the house no matter what seth moulton says. what say you? about me. it's about a broad coalition representing the will of the american people. the american people sent a strong message in the elections last week, new leadership in washington. look at the people of color and veterans and women that were elected, and if our party responds by installing the same leadership we have had since 2006, we are failing the people and letting down the democratic party. >> the message has been interpreted lots of different ways by different tea leaf readers. here's the congressman from california, brad sherman, he says if you win the world series you open the champagne and the manager doesn't get fired. it's the same thing here. i mean, he takes the message that nancy pelosi helped win. >> the vast majority of democrats are crying out for new leadership across the country. that's very clear everywhere you go. this is the message that was sent by the midterms. they would not have sent such an incredible young and diverse group of democratic leaders, and l

seth moulton is getting himself into heaps of trouble.an nancy pelosi. he's a lot younger and has a bright career ahead of him. when you pick yourselves against her fellow veterans in the party, there is a letter they got released in response to seth moulton. idol think it's a good look for him. once marcia fudge said "actually, i'm backing nancy pelosi," i believe they all should have just stepped back and said "we don't have a viable alternative, maybe we should be unified so we can win again in 2020" instead of doing this. >> harris: is this like the pride in "the lion king ?" [laughs] you got to wait for the older lion, it's not your turn, it's mu mufasa's. the reason i say that, she is very effective. why can't you multitask and bring some details question what you need a backup plan at some point. she will reach out to the group that is called "the problem solvers," the nine of them that are going against. but look at alexandria acosta cortez preaching at something she wanted. i had a democrat on my show saying "she must've got some

. >> seth moulton and tim ryan, they are in a war, don't push general until trump is gone.adership from black women and progressives not more center adding barbara lee. >> centrist white dudes, they are the worst. i would say the problem democrats continue to have. seth moulton will not be speaker of the house. democrats are very much about identity politics. you hear nancy pelosi, it is misogyny, it is actually racism. shannon: ageism if anything. >> we are talking very liberal democrats. the idea the democratic caucus is shot through with misogyny and sexism, racism and all that is pretty laughable but that is where they are. the idea that a white centrist dude will unseat nancy pelosi is pretty far-fetched. a lot of horsetrading. what nancy pelosi has to do to get the speakership, she has to give away stuff to her members and it will make them more liberal and push them to the left. shannon: thank you very much. breaking news, the washington post reporting they say julian astonish has been charged and this happened inadvertently. the post is reporting in a filing of an u

seth moulton, tim ryan, and kathleen rice.ys that pelosi listened closely to the trio's concerned. seth moulton said after the meeting "our quest and always has been civil. produce a meaningful plan a leadership transition, as you promised in the summer, to allow a new generation of leadership to step forward." rice spoke with reporters about what they want. >> this is all about moving on to the next generation of leadership. we need to get it. it's with the voters want. we are sick and tired of the same kind of establishment politics going on, with all of the dash giving people all these kind of things, a lack of base. we'll be doing in washington. >> a member of the new democratic leadership team says that pelosi should not announce a departure date. >> she is not going to lame duck herself. particularly because we are dealing with the trump administration, we are dealing with mitch mcconnell and the boys in the senate, and we are dealing with some of trumps the friendly coconspirators in the house of representative. why in

seth moulton has been pushing for generational change saying i'm hoping marsha fudge, my first and bestin congress will run for the next speaker of the house. watch pelosi's reaction when asked about congresswoman marsha fudge challenging her. >> i say to everybody, come on in. the water is warm. >> come on in, the water is warm. >> she said bring it on. >> i think nancy please woe stab you in the front. she said she's thinking about it, and in an interview with "the washington post," but nancy pelosi does -- she has the cardinals -- the incoming chairmen, has a lot of support within the cbc, but make no mistake. the cbc, particularly the incoming class of african-american women are going to get a seat at that table because they do not only voters but also within that caucus, they really represent a very strong bloc in this congress. >> the other interesting dynamic that's going on with the cbc is cliburn, diana gett is challenging cliburn which most people don't think it was a serious challenge, and now she's gathering a fair amount of support. i don't know that cliburn is at risk but

how does congressman seth moulton plan to stop nancy pelosi? so much intrigue tonight, so little time. let's get after it. ♪ ♪ >> we have an election update for you. democrats picked up two more house seats just today. one in california and another just a short time ago in new jersey. so, what do those victories mean? they certainly widen the balance of power in washington. if you're keeping score, democrats now have 32 net pick-ups in the house. 227 for democrats, 200 for republicans. eight races remain undecided. democrats are leading in five of those eight. so, once they figure out the numbers, the new constituency, the new caucus is going to have to vote on whom their leader will be come january. nancy pelosi, as i said, told me 100% that's how certain she is she'll get the speaker ship. but now with new members of congress gathering on capitol hill, there is growing talk of resistance to that plan. seth moulton, democratic congressman of massachusetts, one of the members not in favor of that easy 100% passage for pelosi. congressman, alway

tim ryan and seth moulton, this is the group, you can see them going down. mostly white males. called #fivewhiteguys is the nickname for the leaders of this faction. they say she must go because she's somehow destroying the party's image. do you believe that as a former elected official, the thing that's driving america crazy about the democrats is nancy pelosi? >> it's not. the election results tell us that truth. even though ads were run by republicans in so many of these directs against nancy pelosi, those people actually won their elections. democrats took the majority. not only the majority the largest since watergate, it's the biggest that came in since 2006, the number of seats flipped in 2006 when nancy pelosi first became speaker. let's look at what the real job of the speaker is i served in that leadership circle, it's really to keep democrats together, to hammer out an agenda, to take care of all the various factions of the democratic party, the thousand flowers blooming. nancy pelosi has done that. she was the architect really of the affordable care act. the reason

donald trump is for nancy pelosi as speaker but seth moulton is not. eth in power, and donald trump seems very enlightened. that's what i say, why do you see something different? >> you are assigning weight to what donald trump said. i think most democrats and frankly most people in the country anymore don't. they just don't assigning weight to what he said. >> i am not for pelosi. i'm just using the rules that you guys made up, and in forest with germanic efficiency on the rest of us. that's all i'm doing. it feels bad because it's unfair and stupid. can you admit that? and the rest of us have to live like this in fear, and maybe you should live like that just for a day to see what it's like. >> you are describing things that i think democrats and the public generally, they wouldn't have voted in democrats to run the house that they had accepted your proposition. >> tucker: great to see you. the new face of the democratic party just endorsed a plot to make the party even more liberal than it already is. mark steyn joins us to assess what happened. stay

. >> seth moulton, the congressman from massachusetts who won in a primary a couple years ago to take over that seat of his in massachusetts, look at what has happened to him because of his opposition to nancy pelosi. he was at one point looking at a presidential run. he was also looking at maybe challenging ed markey for that senate seat in massachusetts. now he maybe primaried himself in his own congressional district. i think you will see a lot of other democrats who opposed nancy pelosi in the past saying i don't know what happened to seth moulton to happen to me. i think she scared off him and other democrats from opposing her. connell: i was talking about it the other way around. you bring up a good point. but some of the connor lambs of the world, people who ran in districts where they basically had to support her, if they choose to fall in line this time, will they pay the price next time in those districts with a republican running against them. are there opportunities, vince, for republicans if that's the case? >> i mean, possibly. it's going to be interesting to see how lon

when you look at seth moulton one of the issues he has is he wants to represent many of the people the democrat party has not been able to rely on for victories. the reality is the democrat party successes were because of women of color, were because of minorities in millennial communities, and many of these white working class voters that seth moulton is hoping that could see someone like them more reflected in leadership just cannot deliver the votes consistently for the dems, the dems need to push back on trumpism. >> and richard haas, we have seen, you and i have seen others have seen what happens when you put somebody in as speaker of house that may be there because of certain political positions. if you don't have someone who knows the ins and outs of running the people's house, anarchy breaks out very quickly and you have something that looks a lot like newt gingrich's last couple of years in as speaker. >> if the democrats aren't careful, joe, they're going to have to start looking like republicans. >> uh-oh. >> and it's going to basically look like politics as usual, and it wi

. >> seth moulton -- >> he has been so tough. >> been leading the opposition, say seth gives the speakership behinds off to win the house and he gives the speakership to kevin mccarthy, what do you think the democrats in massachusetts are going to do to him? they are going to crucify him. that will not happen. when they get on that floor, they're going to have to make decision. it's the same thing that happened in 2016. do you vote for what's her name in the -- >> i love you're a party man. you're a party man. stick with us, you're watching "hardball." the greatest wish of all... is one that brings us together. the lincoln wish list event is here. sign and drive off in a new lincoln with $0 down, $0 due at signing, and a complimentary first month's payment. only at your lincoln dealer. and a complimentary first month's payment. when your blanket's freshness fades before the binge-watching begins... that's when you know, it's half-washed. next time, add downy fabric conditioner for freshness that lasts through next week's finale. downy and it's done. (burke) seen it, covered it. we know a thi

they are telling us -- and seth moulton of massachusetts.y are thelling us they have enough to deny nancy pelosi. they are saying they will vote no or vote for another candidate on the floor of the house. it's still an open question about whether that is accurate or not. we've been talking to incoming freshmen and incumbents, people who have voiced opposition to pelosi in the past. right now some are not saying what they will do if nancy pelosi is the only democratic candidate. some say they may ultimately vote for her if she is the only democratic candidate that the caucus puts up. these discussions happening behind the closed doors today. the meeting they just had moments ago, they didn't even broach the subject of nancy pelosi and the speak aresherspe. they're waiting to have more discussions in the coming days and weeks. the first big vote will be after thanksgiving when the democratic caucus nominates their candidate for speaker. the majority of the house has to vote to elect her speaker. that's where those members are all scrambling to

seth moulton/-d- massachusetts: we need to fix it and strengthen the affordable care act, not dismantle it, and that's what our new leaders will do. suburban districts will be key to whether they make the net gain of 23 seats needed to flip the housethat's where republicans will lean on their record -- highlighting low unemployment and the economy. (pam) georgia's republican secretary of state -- who is also a candidate for governor -- says, he will investigate state democrats. brian kemp's office says, there was a hacking attempt on georgia's electoral system saturday evening. kemp's office said, the f-b-i and the department of homeland security have been notified... and no personal data was breached. state democrats call the allegation "100 -percent false" ... and call the move "an abuse of power" by kemp's office. kemp's democratic opponent, stacey abrams, said, this was an attempt to distract voters before the election .. the democrats have been accusing kemp of taking actions to suppress the vote - particularly in black communities in georgia - for weeks now.. they say, this latest

i would say the problem democrats continue to have is that seth moulton is not going to be the speakerhouse. democrats are very much about identity politics. you hear nancy pelosi. it's misogyny and then you hear well, no it's racism. >> shannon: it might be ageism if anything. >> we are talking about very liberal democrats. the idea that the democratic caucus is shot through with misogyny, sexism, racism and all that stuff is pretty laughable. that's where they are. the idea that a white centrist dude is going to unhorsed nancy pelosi is pretty far-fetched. what's going on is a lot of horsetrading. nancy pelosi is going to have to give away stuff to her members and it's going to make them more liberal. it's going to push them to the left. >> shannon: november 28 is election day for them. thank you very much. breaking news. "the washington post" reporting minutes ago they say wikileaks founder julian assange has been charged and apparently this revelation happen inadvertently. the post is reporting that in a filing an unrelated case, it refers to julian assange as being charged at that

seth moulton, the democratic lawmaker just tweeted this in the last couple moments. he says congresswoman marcia fudge of ohio is the kind of new leader that we deserve in this party and i hope she runs for speaker. what's happening in the democratic party tonight? >> democrats ran for office were afraid that nancy pelosi was a cross that would be hung around their neck, and it turns out she wasn't. we are going to win about 40 seats, including the most recent election. nancy pelosi is the reason that most of those democrats won because she by her leadership, and only by her leadership, got the aca passed without any republican votes. >> ed: but pardon me, she did such a great job, why are a rising number of democrats saying, no, we want a new face? >> when you consider what the caucus numbers are, i don't think 17 is a rising number. i understand the need for change but nancy pelosi was a great speaker and saved the country when she found the votes for atari, on the president past the tarp program. she saved the aca, and the aca was the reason that most of our candi

we're seeing at least a number of democrats -- i see led by seth moulton of massachusetts -- trying to find a way to unseat nancy pelosi. and if democrats take the momentum that they've built with this wave, move ing into a new congress where they're trying to show the public a contrast with the craziness in the trump white house and the disarray in the republican coalition, that would be a big mistake, i believe. >> jennifer palmieri, it seems the republicans have found the limits of gerrymandering, of what gerrymandering can accomplish for them. and while they masterfully gerrymandered, they forgot about policy. they forgot about what they were saying to american voters. and they sure forgot about what it meant to have donald trump at the top of their party. >> yeah. i think all of these factors are related, you know, the republican party a couple of decades ago started out, have a strategy to get into state houses, control them, redo maps, and make voting harder to do, right? what does that tell you? that tells you that we don't think our ideas are good enough to sell to voters to g

here's one of the democrats who signed the letter, congressman seth moulton of massachusetts. >> if we answer the call for new leadership by reinstalling the same status quo establishment leadership that we've had in his party since 2006, then we are letting down the american people. >> of the 16 democrats who signed the letter against pelosi, all but two are men. this is really becoming a battle between a small group of mostly moderate male lawmakers against the more liberal and diverse wing of the party and it's a .1 of the more high-profile members of the incoming house class drilled into tonight. >> when you actually look at the signatories, it's not necessarily reflective of the diversity of the party. my main concern was that there's no vision. there is no common values. there is no goal that's really articulated in this letter aside from we need to change. >> terms of timing, a preliminary vote on the speakership is set for next week, but a final vote won't happen until after the new congress is sworn in in january. house democrats are likely going to be exerting a lot of energy

>> seth moulton, the congressman from massachusetts who's kind of been the leader of the rebellious bandeople who are anti-pelosi folks, because he said, well, maybe if they get rid of hoyer or clyburn, we'd be happy. also saying maybe if they keep pelosi for one term, that could work as well. a lot of people say that he was freelancing, that he doesn't seem to be leading this group very well. because if you just have pelosi in one term and democrats just lose the house majority because of pelosi or in part because of that, then there's no point. i think you're going to see pelosi continue to buy off members with coveted slots. she gave marsha fudge, the chairman of an election protection subcommittee, and fudge had always talked about challenging pelosi. i wonder what she's going to offer moulton. >>> supreme court justice ruth bader ginsburg is back on the bench weeks after falling and fracturing three ribs. she fell in her office on the last day of the court's november sitting. she was taken to the hospital the next morning and discharged the following day. justice ginsburg returned t

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. >> on tuesday song man seth moulton said he is 100% confident that pelosi did not have the votes.osi said she is confident she will be the speaker no matter what he said. >>> joining us now, reporter for the "washington post" eugene scott. let's talk about nancy pelosi and her precarious situation. is this challenge to her leadership and house speakership gaining enough traction with democrats to really up end her chances? she seems to have a lot of confidence that she's going to secure the votes. >> it doesn't appear that it's gaining traction. but there's certainly interest in it as people reflect on the most recent midterm elections. there's a lot of talk about what made the democratic party so effective. was it voters in the midwest who were hoping to see the democratic party move in a direction that is more representative of white working class voters, or was it the progressive big cities that had a large show of people of color, women and millennials? the reality is it varies depending on what district you're looking at. that's why people are trying to figure out overall who

if she wins, seth moulton will get a basement office with no windows. be on the committee on widgets. right? >> he made this bet when he came to congress. he was not a silent person who kind of fell in line behind pelosi when he got here. so he's got to double and triple down on this. pelosi does not forget. and so, he may have been destined for the position in and of -- >> i think we will watch for this. eighth smart thing for nancy pelosi to do is to make her an enemy and bring them into the fold. how might she bring some of these people two are rabble rousing around here into the folds so they have no choice but to work with her? i think that's definitely a possibly, even if it looks like someone will mount a real challenge to her. >> as i jump in, does this matter, we took a poll before the election, it happens, here it is. this is overall, all americans, should nancy pelosi be the democrats? three in ten want nancy pelosi, six in ten say they want somebody else. we asked just the democrats. even divide, 44% of democrats say nancy pelosi should be s

host: congressman seth moulton could face a primary challenge in two years because of his opposition to leader pelosi. how much pressure is he under? >> i do not think anyone will knock him out. he is an exceptional candidate up there as well. very strong in his believes, they can try it at this point but i think he is solid in that district. host: let me ask you -- marjorie: let me just say that one of the things tom and i, the real problem is this fear of primary challenges. and so it is pushing people, members of congress to the right and to the left. i think you are right about moulton. one of the things we have to recognize is that sometimes the members get down there and they really want to stay. i wasn't great at that. but they want to stay and there is a difference sometimes but -- between representing and leading and what we need more of our people down there saying we will get this done, we will do the right thing. sometimes we are afraid of challenges on the writer from the left, but let's figure out how we can get stuff done. host: i want to share with our audience what h

to iowa, including john hickenlooper, senator jeff merkley and john delaney and representative seth moultonnd tip ryan. i've heard of those guys and there's pete buttigieg and michael avenatti and billionaire tom steyer. my hunches don't work anymore. i thought trump had support around the angry white guy. i didn't think there were that many to win those key states, turned out there were. i'm not ready to write off outsiders, like a steyer or a cuban. >> the rules are out the window. it's going to be the candidate who excites the voters. this is democracy in action. we've seen a break up of the strength of the party system over the course of the last dozen or so years due in part to citizens united, in part to mccain-feingold and you have voters deciding and to some extent donors. >> to john's point, are they going to have a chance for voters to see them? i think in this uber crowded field, what may be a key determinant can be who gets in there and gobbles up all of the best talent and makes the connection and all of the money. there's already stories running about there being a staff talen

a sure sign is her top critics like congressman seth moulton wants to negotiate, if that is the democratsoblem-solving caucus, they are wanting to negotiate, that is a sign that nancy pelosi said a couple of weeks ago that she has the votes to be elected speaker once again. >> martha: i want to talk to you about the caucus, because he called them trump? >> the trump enablers. >> martha: they might reach across the aisle, but you want nothing to do with that? >> it is not about what they are doing, the problem solvers caucus did nothing to change the rules to make the process more democratic when the republicans were the majority. and now the democrats will be the majority, all of the sudden they want to change the rules. what they are creating is more gridlock, i am a strong believer in bipartisanship, i have worked with republicans on bipartisan legislation, but when you have members led by some individual like josh got hammer -- and they support many of the right wing initiatives that are in fact -- >> martha: that will not fly. >> it will not build bipartisanship. >> martha: jason chaf

they will probably be a fight, maybe somebody like seth moulton. other folks. don't think ryan is going this time, he did last time around. what's of interesting -- i agree that, for my part, we need to women in leadership. particularly in the political climate. i just don't want nancy pelosi saying that. he placed into an a narrative t her that's not always fair or flattering. she is historic, but parting of being a leader is knowing what it's time to move on. >> melissa: i want to ask you about the sprint to the finish, because in very interested in that. here's what president trump had to say about the sprint to the finish on the border wall, and what could be involved there. >> are you prepared to go with a shutdown strategy during the lame duck, since this might be your last chance? to secure that? >> not necessarily. i speak to democrats all the time. they agree that a wall is necessary. >> so no shutdown scenario? >> i can't commit to that. but it's possible. >> lisa: i think republicans have lost some leverage with democrats taking about the house. i th

leading the charge to keep nancy pelosi from being the next speaker of the house is congressman seth moultonw some of congressman moulton's constituents responded at a town hall last night. >> i am deeply upset that you are challenging speaker pelosi with no person that you take her job, no policies that you disagree with. >> the majority of americans want the change. the majority of democrats want this change. >> no! >> all right. joining me now, robert draper, contributing writer for "the new york times" magazine whose new piece is nancy pelosi's last battle. published in "the new york times" magazine. robert, good to see you. thank you for being you. thank you for being with us. is seth molten right, that the majority of democrats want this change as it relates to nancy pelosi? >> i'm not sure what poll he's looking at. the short answer is, no, i don't think he's right, ali. look, winning changes everything. had the democrats not managed to take over the house, it would be a totally different story. >> right. >> and, frankly, all of pelosi's people were telling me that. yeah, sayonara to

congressman seth moulton, the man leading the resistance seems to have shifted his focus to getting aor the number two or perhaps the number three democrat in the house come january. will the house democratic leadership, will it be pelosi, hoyer and cliburn, and if not, who? >> if i had to place a bet with my house as the stakes, i would say yes, it was pelosi, hoyer and cliburn. of the three of them, i think hoyer and cliburn are the two who are the most vulnerable. the young guns are looking to step up. people want to get in the race. here's the real problem. if you get hoyer, cliburn, let's say you got hakeem jeffries who's trying to be democratic caucus chair, you've got ben ray lieu han who wants to be the assistant majority leader, that's a lot of guys, a lot of dudes on that list, right? and pelosi's the only one, and particularly there's no woman of color on that list, and you've got all these women of color stepping up, ocasio-cortez, presley, it would be pretty remarkable if it was nancy pelosi and four or five guys in the leadership team. i'm not sure that's a number that r

seth moulton is the one matching this campaign most vocally.he is a four-time veteran in iraq. we think him for his service. but there is a letter from every side with nine democrat veterans signing it saying "we back nancy pelosi, she has been there for us for years." >> harris: i'm fascinated that there is a swing phot among democrats. 10% as large number of people who don't know they want to vote for between nancy pelosi and whoever else might run. that's a swing vote among democrats? how is that even possible? >> katie: what i find interesting about those numbers, melissa, because they are so split amongst democratic voters it isn't just happening among politicians in washington. this is a grassroots effort against nancy pelosi. >> melissa: i love you and president trump are in front of the cameras is that he could do a beautiful thing for her or whatever by getting people to vote. he thinks she really deserves i it. i wonder if that helps or hurts her case. it seems like he would probably hurt it because everybody who come on the left, abs

seth moulton/-d- massachusetts: we need to fix it and strengthen the affordable care act, not dismantlenew leaders will do. suburban districts will be key to whether they make the net gain of 23 seats needed to flip the housethat's where republicans will lean on their record -- highlighting low unemployment and the economy. in washington, i'm karin caifa reporting. (ken) team coverage of the midterm elections tonight. san francisco has seen strong early voting activity so far -- which may lead to the highest voter turnout during a mid-term election in the city since 19-74. kron4's maureen kelly talked with senator dianne feinstein after she cast her ballot today ....about the importance of citizens excercising their right to vote. california's senior senator happily accepted her i voted sticker right before handing over her ballot at a collection tent out in front of san francisco's city hall. the incumbant is maintaining a healthly lead in the most recent polls against her oppoent democratic california state senator kevin de leon. while this midterm election is being widely seen as a r

and the democrats at this point should pay more attention like ryan and seth moulton.hese kind of people should be in leadership positions. that's my comment. nd the democrats should be putting these people in these leadership positions because they are the ones that are gain control of the house. host: one of those who will ppose her speakership in the epresentative from pennsylvania, representative lamb. the house is coming in. go ahead. caller: thanks for taking my call. back in august, i was in a meeting with nancy pelosi, steny hoyer, james clyburn and sedgwick richmond with a diverse group of african-american church leaders and i watched her closely and i was amazed at the insights that she had. i was amazed at the number of ballings she was juggling at one time. and i was really

congressman seth moulton could face a primary challenge in two years because of his opposition to leaderelosi. how much pressure is he under? >> he is an exceptional candidate up there as well. very strong in his believes, they can try it at this point but i think he is solid in that district. host: let me ask you -- >> let me just say that one of , the real tom and i primaryis this fear of challenges. ,nd so it is pushing people members of congress to the right and to the left. i think you are right about moulton. one of the things we have to sometimes thehat members get down there and they really want to stay. i wasn't great at that. but they want to stay and there is a difference sometimes but when representing and leading and what we need more of our people down there saying we will get this done, we will do the right thing. sometimes we are afraid of challenges on the writer from the left, but let's figure out how we can get stuff done. host: i want to share with our audience what happened when you served in the house of representatives and one of the key votes that led to your defe