[laughter] >> we have the same argument between sgt crowley and the president and prof. gates, but we know it's bigger than that. after the beer, after the invasion and polite conversation and referring to each other in gesture, the real problem is still on the street where disproportionate numbers of black and latino men are subjected to arbitrary forms of police power. if we're going to have a real conversation about race, we the open up and be honest on all sides. the real fact is it to the president of the united states of america and a professor with harvard pedigree just to argue against the words of a white policeman who was a sergeant in cambridge. [applause] what that says to me is that the everyday, ordinary, average person who is subjected to these kinds of vicious forces may not actually be talked about and will we must do is refocus a conversation between putting a personal face on a structural problem. to have reconciliation without structural changes to do little more than to change the deck chairs on the titanic. >> is this meeting symbolic or structural?

. >> we have the same argument between professor gates, sgt crowley, and the president, but we know that it is bigger than that. after the beer is had, after they engage in polite conversation, and defer to each other in chester, that the real problem is still on the streets were disproportion month of black and latino men and women are subject to arbitrary forms a police power. if we have a real conversation about race, we have to be honest about it on all sides. it took the president of the united states of america and a professor of harvard pedigree just to argue against the word of a white policeman who was a sergeant in cambridge. what that says to me is that the every day, ordinary, average person subjected to these kinds of business forces may not actually be talked about. what we have to do is read but as the conversation between putting a personal face on a structural problem. it can do little more than change the deck chairs on the titanic. >> is a symbolic or is it structural? potentially. >> i think it is structural only because the goal is to move us back to a policy convers

according to sgt crowley, he was told when he arrived on the scene that the intruders were black. >>aller: the lady said it is a lie. he said he talked to her and she said it is a lie. >> host: an e-mail from texas. to have information on 4 white kids and how they fare in the adult world? do for white parents approach poverty and education differently than for black parents? >> guest: for white kids are struggling just as much as 4 white kids. the kind of family breakdown issues that you are seeing, we often focus on in black america because there are larger percentages, are also evidence among low-income whites in the country. . we are quick in this country to go to the racial narrative and talk about black versus white as if it would be so eliminating the one is going on inside white america is deeply troubling, if you're going to go to daniel patrick moynihan's predictions about out of wedlock birth. people who call him a racist, those rates--rates which are far exceeded in the black community are also exceeded in the white community where 28% of children are born out of wedlock t