shabana mahmood, in charge of the justice system. she's against it, too. >> it is a moral choice.t like the legislation on abortion. it's about what we personally believe. and i and i welcome that because i, it gave me the time to think and listen to people. and i've listened to my constituents as well. so it was a difficult one. but i understand wes streeting concerns is about there is a potential additional burden on the nhs when we've got to sort it out, and that is our big focus. but at the same time, there are people who are facing certain death and i feel they should have more, much more control, some choice ends. >> some agency. >> some agency. >> about it. exactly. and, and there also has to be far better palliative care so that they can have a better choice about how how their life will end. >> well, joe phillips, you mentioned mentioned there palliative care. did joe mention it. there is the worry that it's not good enough. and so the choice is a false choice because you haven't got good enough quality end of life care. >> i think the palliative care it is very important

i'm not sure that i'm not sure shabana mahmood doesn't. might act on this because one of the big problems, as we discussed last week on this sofa, is that the issue is, is that whatever the rules are, the judges are interpreting them in such a way that it just it in such a way that itjust it just seems plain daft. one of my friends is an immigration tribunal judge. she is a you know, we were in the labour party when we were young together when i had hair and hope. and, you know, she has obviously been completely apolitical. you know, ever since she was in the labour. well, i mean. >> many times does this have to happen? >> yeah. but i tell you what. you'd >> yeah. but i tell you what. yo