he knew shakespeare and so forth. i'm not sure of his taste in music. he was, as later economist john maynard keynes said, you can't be a good economist if you are only an economist. which he meant is if all you think about is cost and benefits, then you have this kind of sociopath at the center of your theory, you're not going to do economics very intelligently. adam smith set this pattern, but it was such a temptation to make it easier. oh, i don't want to read those books on philosophy. oh, i don't want to study history. oh, i don't want to know shakespeare. i want to make it easy. make it easy. now it has become as easy as it can be, and this is true of both marxist economics. when i was a kid i was a marxist. and i was so thrown by marxism, because all you needed to know was that the history of all hitherto existence societies is the history of class struggle. end of your education. and all you need to know in economics is cost, and modern economics, is cost and benefits. i think we need to get back to an educated economics. >> and you went from be

there is one thing to learn on shakespeare. what you learn is deeper. you learn about forms you learn about creativity one of the futures of mozart. he doesn't repeat a lot. he repeats a variation. that is a lesson and creativity. it's central to the modern economy. there is lots to learn student of mine had said there's a lot to be learned from curiosity. >> i can offer more specific technical reasons for wanting to do economics. but i think you get the idea. >> over the years we have talked to about several of your books. you've been on book tv several times. you have brought up your episcopalian roots and activities in the past. what about your religious life? does that play into economics and human autumn? >> right now i am working on a book god in mammon. it was a word which was the language word for money. the subtitle is a public theology for commerce. it tries to show the they're not necessarily enemies. they can be enemies but you can have corruption too. not only in the marketplace. the uncorrupted version of these two that the profane can wor

you had me at shakespeare, your version of it. can the humanities be saved? that assumes they are lost and i'm not sure that is the case. beauty will save the world. we live in a world. we are turning instinctively, the humanities, to find something we are missing. universities have increasingly turned in the other direction. if the purpose of the university is job placement, we shouldn't have university. there's a more efficient way to put young people in jobs and make them go through four years of coursework and getting into debt to have their starting job. the purpose of university is additive. as young people are reaching their maturity we have an opportunity to turn them into critical thinkers in a complex way and those prepared to spend life seeking human flourishing. you can't do that without the humanities. life is not a quantitative, it is qualitative. institutionally, higher education is moving away from the humanities. we are not going to let it get far. we turn to higher education, the things that are highest in human experience. >> we have an int

you repeat it and facilities and herodotus and dante and shakespeare and don quixote reading those books was the primary way through which i began to orient myself visa with this world that i was encountering and vis-À-vis my own development. this will be my own coming of age my own sense of myself as a as an individual as an agent as a member of american society as a member of democratic society so i for a sense of myself and and kind of saw my way through what seemed an impenetrable maze drawing on those books, you know in a quite decisive and indispensable way. hmm. that's what i quickly comment that for those who haven't read the book. it's it really is this wonderful mix of philosophic meditation and memoir and in particular the story of young roosevelt montes finding this coffee of plato's dialogues it a trash pile. it's as you tell the story there this was part of the famous five foot shelf of books published by charles elliott and you describe how this is a good business venture it, you know, it's a lot of copies, but i thought you know and many of which were never read. of cours

and so i became anti-shakespeare because my mom was like forcing, you know these midwest shakespeare revival plays down and i'd have to go sit and watch him. amid summer nights dream or you know merchant in venice or whatever and so you know, she got me reading books books books and always wanted us to communicate. well my are one awards for the state of ohio for original composition and oratory. she always made me speak clearly and properly my sister leslie my only sibling works for kgo tv and abc san francisco. she did anchor work and now she's sort of their main roving correspondent out there. so both of us got into communications realm in some ways because of my mom. i didn't realize that brian that it made a difference until i met other history professors who don't like talk talking or have a hard time before classroom. i just can't wait to get in front of the classroom and story tell because i just, you know, it's just part of my innate personality, but i recognize my mom is the one who instilled in me that ability to talk in front of people. how did she get to be the teacher o

that we needed those myths in order to be able to really understand the greeks better, if we need shakespeare to some extent to be understand the elizabethen history better, and perhaps if we needed 100 years of solitude to be able to stomach some of what happened in columbia, is there some way in which the story can work with the history assuming history is even really true? is there some way those two can work together to in some way, like, to create a truth that perhaps has validity that isn't entirely separated from accuracy? i don't know if this makes any sense, but i think you know where i am going with it. >> i will give it a shot. i think there's -- i think there's a couple of contphraeugss that tend to happen when we talk about history, right? i think what you may be referencing in the early part of your comments are national narratives, right? so national narratives often times are enter woven with nation states, and nation states can only exists if there's national myths underpinning them, right? there was no united states before the 1770s and '80s, and a new national history had t

he made shakespeare's richard someone quote loved murder, for murders sake as a reviewer said. john wielded his sword so vigorously that once his photo op off the stage and into the orchestra pit, a month before he assassinated lincoln while playing an evil duke in a tragedy booth was so realistic that he tortured a woman. so much that a spectator was truly frightened by quote the hideous malevolent expression of his distorted countenance, the fears clear and ugly role of his eyes as he gleefully boasted about his masterpiece of cruelty. for john wilkes booth, the extreme american acting style led to an emerging stage characters with real life. he often played rebels rose up against tyrants and booth didn't just identify with these stage assassins. he became one of them. in his mind he really was one of them. america itself was now the stage, lincoln was a targeted direct, assassinating the despot lincoln in a theater would be his ultimate sensational role a couple of hours before he shot lincoln he recommended to a hotel clerk that they should go to ford's theater that evening

is really great, because one of the things that you learn when you read shakespeare is that there's so much subversive depth under the entertaining surface, like henry v is a great leader, and a total creep. romeo and juliet are inspiring and completely nuts. [laughter] people from entertainment to accuracy that he can cultivate and is the way that an author of that caliber can sort of pull people from entertainment to accuracy, they can cultivate a taste for accuracy. and so i guess my comment is, i mean, i'm interested to read the book, tremendously so, but i think the situation is actually worse than what you've described so far, because it seems like not only is accuracy a buried standard, there's a way in which the net is cultivating a certain kind of audience. it's appealing to certain motives that render accuracy in a way repulsive. i mean, i didn't realize this, i only heard it recently, that facebook elevated stories that elicited in negative response and [inaudible] five times over other stories, in order to get advantage to stories that were polarizing, because that's wha

really great because one of the things that you learn when you read shakespeare is that there's so much subversive depth under the entertaining surface like henry the fifth is a great leader and a total creep romeo and juliet are inspiring and completely nuts and it's the the way that that an author of that caliber can sort of pull people from entertainment to accuracy that he can cultivate a taste for accuracy. and so i guess my comment is the i mean i'm interested to read your book tremendously so but i think the situation is actually worse than what you've described so far because it seems like not only is accuracy a buried standard where there's a way in which the net is is cultivating a certain kind of audience. it's it's appealing to certain motives that render accuracy in a way repulsive. i mean i saw i heard i didn't realize this. i only heard it recently that facebook. elevated stories that that elicited negative response and modicons five times over other stories in order to give an advantage to stories that were polarizing because that's what drew more engagement. that's what

really great because one of the things that you learn when you read shakespeare is that there's so much subversive depth under the entertaining surface like henry the fifth is a great leader and a total creep romeo and juliet are inspiring and completely nuts and it's the the way that that an author of that caliber can sort of pull people from entertainment to accuracy that he can cultivate a taste for accuracy. and so i guess my comment is the i mean i'm interested to read your book tremendously so but i think the situation is actually worse than what you've described so far because it seems like not only is accuracy a buried standard where there's a way in which the net is is cultivating a certain kind of audience. it's it's appealing to certain motives that render accuracy in a way repulsive. i mean i saw i heard i didn't realize this. i only heard it recently that facebook. elevated stories that that elicited negative response and modicons five times over other stories in order to give an advantage to stories that were polarizing because that's what drew more engagement. that's what

i read shakespeare. i read the bible very carefully. he becomes muslim so he's not christian, but this is the lesson of malcolm x that i provide in the book as a model for millennials. now what you must do. christians are wrong white. people are evil. that doesn't make him say i'm canceling you. i'm i'm shunning you i'm getting you out of my life. no, it makes him want to learn about them. he sits across the table from white men. in these new shows, you know in the last couple years of his life and you can see the way he converses with them. he wants to know what's going on in their heads. he doesn't say racists. bigots, i'm out of here. no, he wants the exchange because he has what you mentioned the confidence. okay, he speaks clearly. slowly deliberately he wears a coat and tie. he said in prison, i will never use bad words again. no more profanity. okay. i'm going to do that anymore. and you can see he's he's he's got a foundation. within through this conversion experience and i mean deep psychological emotional spiritual change. it

could read a poem and a couple of times and he loved the poetry above all it the spring sewing shakespeare by the page printed and poetry from him merely channel the feeling and emotion and every once in a while, they would break out with a poem predict the same time he loved that lincoln above all people ranged the entire breadth of experience from the very highest culture shakespeare, the opera and all of that down to the lowest jokes and everything in between, sentimental songs •-ellipsis a little songs really had an encompassing division it truly is about the vision of to his compassion. >> what about john brown's education and can you tell us about any formal education that he had an is back on and that put him to her he went and i actually do not recall. >> 's formal education was quite limited perhaps not as limited as abraham lincoln and he clearly was self educated person again not to the extent lincoln, but i'm a subject and one of the o things that i becae interested in was how to john brown ever come up with ideas for military operations and engaging in because when he led his

shakespeare in england is the best known writer of sonnets. what shakespeare in england is the best knownng sonnets? i _ known writer of sonnets. what drew you to writing sonnets? i think - you to writing sonnets? i think because i— you to writing sonnets? i think because i was _ you to writing sonnets? i think because i was teaching - you to writing sonnets? i think because i was teaching the - you to writing sonnets? i think - because i was teaching the sonnets so often and having to explain what i havejust so often and having to explain what i have just told you to students and make them care about it. often they might have felt a little bit divorced from that form. it has high cultural associations and of being a bit elitist and i thought if i wrote poems about my students they would see themselves in the sonnet. it was all there, the humour, the complexity. they seemed to be the perfect subject for the sonnet in this day and age. this perfect subject for the sonnet in this day and age.— perfect subject for the sonnet in this day and age. this book is about --eole ou this day and age.

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i don't mean people who can you know read priest and quote shakespeare. i mean people who understand how this shared system we live in works. because if they don't they become for politicians and a politician could come along and say look elect me and i will give you free college and everybody cheers and says yes, i want free college and so i like this guy and actually you find out after it's too late that there is no such thing as free college and you've just made your own life worse off because you didn't understand that the the system in which we were working the incentives the politician had to offer something he couldn't deliver and what subsequently happens to the economy when he to do so professor davies you have a case study in here on the minimum wage and the number 550,000 appears. what is that? yeah, we have an entire chapter on the minimum wage and i've written a tremendous. wage people will say to me from time to time if the minimum wage is such a bad idea. how come economists don't write about it, and there's quite literally hundreds of acad

and over the last year or so, this neighborhood of shakespeare has very much become the touchstone of the protests against that. and we saw in last april in may just how tense situation could become . it was one of the triggers. so the war that we saw between israel and fighting factions in gaza at the moment, those tensions which are always there been sharpened by 2 things at attack. and let's attack last friday. we could go un austin attack against the jewish settler home. is where the police say they've now arrested for people in connection with that. and the response to that from a far right is ready. politicians, it's been a member of these ready parliament, the connecticut who has set up an open office on the grounds of the palestinian home. not very far from here, just a few dozen meters away from where the palestinians here have been gathering. he's been here all week in a deliberately provocative position, which he says is also to try to ensure the safety of settlers in this extremely volatile and device is part of a bulky body through them. so the question now is really will

when i say that, i'm reminded of the theatre in which shakespeare played and performed, called the globetry has had a global figure since those tudor days, and why brexit chose "global britain" as a mantra to follow, i don't understand. it's always been global. politically, the country has declined, no question, when you compare 1952 to 2022, but that's a different story to the tudor days, britain was in the ascendancy and became a large and important power, now she is declining, she is a middling player on the national stage. but she is still there and she follows the motto of her predecessor, elizabeth i, who used the latin phrase, "semper eadem" — always the same. she has been the same in all the changes that have happened around her. stephanie, how do you think she is seen in america and around the world? what is their view of queen elizabeth? i think she is incredibly popular, particularly in the us. _ she has met 12 us presidents, so she is as much a part- of our history as she is, given her reign, over 14 british prime ministers. americans love the queen and will lap up the pomp i

does the _ shakespeare played and performed. does the globe.the country has been a _ does the globe. so, the country has been a global figure since those days and — been a global figure since those days and by the brexit people chose global— days and by the brexit people chose global britain as a mantra to follow, — global britain as a mantra to follow, i_ global britain as a mantra to follow, i do not understand. but the country _ follow, i do not understand. but the country is _ follow, i do not understand. but the country is declined, no question about it — country is declined, no question about it when you compare the years, but that _ about it when you compare the years, but that is— about it when you compare the years, but that is a _ about it when you compare the years, but that is a different story. britain _ but that is a different story. britain was on the ascendancy and became _ britain was on the ascendancy and became a — britain was on the ascendancy and became a large important part and noticed _ became a large important part and

writing and now we have these algorithms that are able to write all bids for the guardian and poetry shakespeare and create beautiful creations of their own so it's always changing. may bebe creativity isn't this ground we will be on forever. computers are creative in certain ways. i feel like what you said it in the beginning about how we need to be able to make those executive decisions based on the conclusions that these algorithms and processes arrive at and that's getting tricky because we are not a sort of in a lot of fields that have moved beyond the programming where we tell the computer what to look for and exactly how to process the data like machine learning algorithms and many of them are black box technologies we have no idea how they are reaching the inferences that they are. they are sort of learning how to see the world and in their own alien way. soso my answer is i hope that we can maintain some kind of distinction from these technologies but it's probably too early to say what that is going to be. i wanted to ask about the same topic of algorithms that can write. i know i'm ki

you know, some of them have the talent to do shakespeare place but they were forced. to do the maid roles. and many of them have never been written about. and i said to myself, even though they're gone, maybe they have a nephew, or great in a few or a niece or somebody out there who knows about their family member, who acted in movies back in the 40s and 50s. and bam, now that name is written in this book. it is there. they have been honored. in some way. it's a great moment it's there's a great moment in the book, at least to me when linda horn, beautiful actress, she could sing and act, hollywood didn't know what to do with her, and she kept getting invited to play out maid. so her father finally flew out to hollywood, to ask to see one of his studio chiefs, and her father said look, if my daughter needs a maid higher one for her. but she is not going to play a maid onscreen. what a beautiful little story >> what a beautiful little story. he gets on a plane and insists on seeing the studio chief and saying, i got money. a lot of money. my daughter needs to made. i'l

. >> i think shakespeare put it best the sound of the theory signifying that one. >> it's not rare forif there based on anabolic political steroids, chad pergram, fox news. >> the department of transportation is tracking ahead with the new pilot program that would allow 18 - 20 years old to drive a big rig across state lines a plan that many hope will ease the current supply chain crunch. austin westfall has that story. >> in many states people 18 years and older can already drive trucks within state lines but they want to drive trucks over state lines they need to be 21 years old. a new program is aiming to change that. >> 6000 trucks or 3500 trucks in a day. >> those who run the 300-acre terminal and south carolina loading and unloading. a lot of ports have been affected including guards is different ports at different times. >> the ceo of carolina ports says the valley is only possible when the terminal is flowing well. >> it's tough during a trucker shortage. she works with the local trucker school. >> the program is not only vetted a help it out. >> a pilot program proposed by the