. >> miss shalala. >> mr. chairman, i want to make a comment about the suggestion that scientists and public health people are making policy in this country. they are not. we're the policy-makers. the governors, the mayors are the policy-makers. they seek advice during a crisis like this one with a vicious virus from experienced scientists and public health officials, and they can take that advice or not take that vicious and all across the country there's evidence that some people are taking the advice and some people aren't taking the advice, but all of the scientists i know and the public health people in this country and many of them i've worked with for years are very careful not to be policy-makers. they are particularly careful just to present the evidence and not to substitute for the policy-makers, and i think that this country which has invested hundreds of billions of dollars over the years in building one of the great scientific enterprises, the national institute of health, the cdc and the fda, th

nobody is going anywhere. >> well, congresswoman shalala, what happened -- the president talked about liberate michigan. liberate the scientists. why aren't we hearing -- if the president doesn't want the coronavirus task force any more, i get that, i get why he wouldn't want to after the last performance. why aren't we hearing from the cdc every day and the national institutes of health? the cdc used to be a really respected organization. it seems like they've been muzzled or kneecapped. >> in fact, they muzzled lots of people in the government, including firing the i.g. at h.h.s. who put out a report that was so evenhanded, they literally must not have read it. and the idea of firing someone who has oversight is really outrageous. but the idea of telling tony fauci, one of the world's greatest scientists that he can testify at the senate but not at the house because they don't want him to spend the time after they have tied him up in briefings and in meetings for literally two months is really unacceptable. >> yeah. >> and it's unacceptable to muzzle any scientist because we need cl

donna shalala on an earlier hours here on msnbc and former hhs secretary and member of congress said it's up to you whether or not the house subpoenas dr. fauci. do you plan to subpoena dr. fauci to testify? >> well, we're in court right now, supreme court as a matter of fact on the rights of congress to have oversight over the executive branch. three coequal branches of government. and dr. fauci, i would hope dr. fauci would say things in public that we wouldn't need him to be subpoenaed to say about how he sees things going. i feel sad for him and anybody who has to stand in that task force and practically validate what's coming out of the president's mouth instead of an occasional clarification. so, again, we want the information. it's clear the administration is afraid of the truth, and the president of the united states to say that the congress, the house, is a bunch of haters is so beneath the dignity of the office that he holds and so distant from the seriousness he should bring to a matter of life and death of so many people in our country. here we are, national nurses day an

. >>> joining me now, donna shalala of florida, also a former health and human services secretary under president bill clinton. thank you for being with me, congresswoman. let me start right there, you as a former secretary of health and human services, how do you grade how this administration has handled this health emergency in terms of covid-19? >> i give them an f. there is just no question. they did not put in place either the testing regime, or get supplies, ppe supplies out to the country. they haven't led clearly, the president has stepped all over the scientific messages, they haven't allowed the public health and the scientists to be in front on this. and as a result, thousands of people have died, i believe unnecessarily because we should have taken a strong stand from the beginning. we should have hit this thing with a hammer, and organized at the national level to purchase all of the supplies we needed and really to engage the public with clear messages. this is a disaster. >> when this became known to the administration in january, and they are taking it less than aggressi

>> joining us now donna shalala of florida, former secretary of health and human services under president clinton. congresswoman, thank you for taking the time this morning. >> you're welcome, jim. >> so it appears that some of trump's pressuring north carolina because he wants to have a big rally for the convention, a lot of people in that room there together, which seems to run counter to what health officials are recommending at this point. it has been raised moving the convention to florida as a florida congresswoman, would you welcome that? >> well, i this i henk he's tal about doral, which he owns. he'll stay in north carolina. there is a tight senate race and i'm sure that's why they backed off of north carolina. the most important thing here is the president needs to pay attention to his own scientists. he's not wearing masks. he's talking about large gatherings, which are very dangerous for the people of north carolina, the people of the country. what happens to north carolina doesn't stay in north carolina. that's what we have to understand. the state by state strategy is just a

donna shalala. before we talk oversight, i want to ask about this whistle-blower complaint. you were health and human services secretary. assuming he confirms everything in the complaint, is there anything you can do about it? >> well, um, obviously the consequence can do some things about it, and just the transparency of bringing it out in the open that the administration ignored warnings and ignored scientific advice is devastating for the condition, and i for one is am happy they're topping briefings, because they're trump briefings. i want to hear from the scientists on a regular base. look, the worst thing that can happen to those of you who have stayed in the last month or so, is to have to do it again. this administration has set up a situation by not listening to the scientists, by the states having their own pressure to reopen. this is a very dangerous time in our history, and ignoring science, ignoring early warnings is only part of this. >> but given that he's the president, what can congress do? this about his most recent comments about dr. fauci testifying? he's

thanks so much to robert gibbs, to two former secretaries of health, both secretary sebelius and shalala, who is now a congressmember, and of course, to geoff bennett at the white house. >>> let's take a look at tennessee, where covid-19 cases are on the rise. nearly 15,000 cases statewide. but the state is reopening anyway, stores and restaurants at half capacity today, requiring servers and patrons to wear protective masks and to continue self-distancing by six feet. nbc news correspondent catie beck is in downtown nashville. catie, this is a tough balancing act for the business owners in music city. how can they, many small restaurants, how can they do this six-foot business and still stay in business anyway? >> reporter: i think a lot of business owners are trying to figure that out, andrea. i think they're trying to figure out, is it even profitable for me to open if i'm only going to be at 50% capacity? one business owner that we spoke to here says, basically for him, it's going to cost him $250,000 just to open his doors, so he wants to be sure that he's going to have enough busin

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liz: instead of investigating a crime, the shalala manufacturing create and cookout crimes to railroadto get them. do think they were trying to go after trump and chuck grassley said throw the book at them. do think john durham is going to go after them. >> i think he will. >> flynn is collateral damage and i was collateral damage, they did not care about us they wanted trump. and they wanted to go after flynn, blackmail full and so he would turn on trump and maybe make stuff up about him. they did the same thing to me, they implied that they let me off if i pleaded guilty to a crime i did not commit or if i implicated in this case flynn and trump himself in crimes that they did not commit. that was the game but in flynn's case there were two other things going on. flynn made it pretty clear he wanted a reorganization of the intelligence committee and the trump administration. he had been head of the intelligence agency of the obama administration made significant reforms, streamlined and ruffled a lot of feathers. he was intending to do the same thing with the 16 agencies of the intel

joined by donna shalala of florida, and an internal medicine physician and medical contributor, and jonathan swan, national political reporter at axios. thanks for being with us. doctor, let me start with you. reading through some of the stats about flattening the curve, what scott gottlieb said about we flattened it but it is not going down, it seems that's leaving us in a very difficult in between place where we have accomplished some of the major goals, major challenges we talked about at the beginning of this but we are still enduring quite a few cases. where does that leave us? >> so what's happening, what we're seeing is a patch work of public health measures. what we really need to see happen is widespread consistent, coordinated activity on behalf of the public, but also that has to come from leadership at the federal level, state and local level. right now the only, most effective measure we know in terms of reducing transmission and lowering the curve is good old fashioned public health measures of physical distancing, staying home, washing hands, covering our faces. in the absence

host: that was former clinton hhs secretary donna shalala speaking in favor of the bill.he toptom cole who is republican on the rules committee also talking about the bill that was passed. [video clip] proposed and ing oppose the massive and unwarranted $3 trillion democratic wish list the majority is proposing. proposes -- it will fundamentally change the nature of the institution. i know that was not the intent of my friends, but that is what will happen. i am concerned we are doing this without regard to the fact a change like this is likely to lead to litigation and may jeopardize legislation we passed in a bipartisan manner. oner reaching an agreement $2.5 trillion in spending over the last six weeks the majority is seeking to spend $3 trillion more, regardless of the needs of the nation, and without any input from the republican side of the aisle. my friends talk about the urgency of the moment. i agree. i also agree we are going to have to work in a bipartisan fashion to pass something. if this makes my friends feel better, that's fine. if the intent is to set a ne

. >> miss shalala? >> aye. >> miss matsui? >> aye. >> mr. cole? >> no. >> mr. wood-all in. >> no. mrs. burgess? >> aye. >> eight yays, four nays. >> okay. so now. >> mr. chairman? >> yes. >> there were two little bits of misinformation that were floating around. i wonder if it would be appropriate for me to take a second to correct them now? >> you want to publicly correct the record? >> yes, i would. >> thank you, mr. chairman. i understand from the house committee on administration that in the c.a.r.e.s. act there was $25 million appropriated to the house of representatives. it was stated in the discussion of one of the lesko amendments that went to the m.r.a. accounts of individual members. it did not. that money went to contractors for the house of representatives in the cafeteria, in maintenance and technology, especially technology contractors who helped to set people up at home. as far as i know, there was no money allocated to m.r.a.'s. the second thing i want to correct is one of the witnesses before took issue with -- >> i think we need to pause to start the next hearing

miss shalala? >> thank you, mr. chairman. i appreciate the quality of the discussion that has taken place. i have deep respect for this institution and for its leaders. this virus is vicious. most of our states are opening up without meeting the cdc guidelines. nothing is winding down. those of us that had to go through airports can describe them as scary. we have two responsibilities here. the first is to do the people's business. the second is to save lives. we have a responsibility to continue to do the people's business and we're responsible for the lives of people who work here. this proposal is minimalist as far as i can tell so that we can do our jobs and we must do our jobs. in my state, 2 million people have applied for unemployment. less than half have received it. we have a legacy system that was designed to say no. our poor new governor is trying to fix it. thousands of really small businesses applied for ppp in my district. very few got it. oversight, we need oversight on unemployment insurance and the sba at the

shalala: thank you. i rise today in support of the underlying bills. madam speaker, my office in calls.s not getting we're getting cries for help. both ghbors are scared of the virus that could kill them or their loved ones and worried about how they will make their or mortgage payment or buy groceries or when their back to school. today we vote on two bills. the first will allow members of do our jobs as chair, mr. our mcgovern. he second will provide desperately needed relief. we already passed four pieces of legislation to respond to the has killed more than 83,000 americans. neighbors in south florida are suffering. to myroes act gives money state, cities and county that are shouldering both the burdens of healed covid-19. nless we do this by county and cities and school boards will not be able to pay teachers or irefighters or police officers or transit workers or even hire contract tracers to help get this virus under control. . this bill provides that including more money for snap, additional economic impact payments of up to $6,000 for family.