shamele jordon: thanks for having me. rosemary: so, first thing, how popular have these kits become? shamele: extremely popular. it's bringing all sorts of people into the kind of genealogy realm, where it was kind of just the nerds who kind of hung out in the archive. rosemary: you said, you used that word, not me. you are, of course, a genealogist. shamele: yes, yes. rosemary: you were saying it was more driven toward, initially, people who were scientifically inclined to find out this information, gravitated toward it, but now-- shamele: everyone wants to know specifically ethnicity, which is probably the least accurate part of the test. rosemary: really? shamele: yes, everyone wants to know, everyone wants to connect to a piece of ground, right? and the point is to connect to other human beings. i mean, it's fun to learn, especially if you are african-american and you don't have a specific country that you come from, it's nice to kind of know a general region. but that part is the least accurate of the test. rosemary: