>>> hi, shamu. hi, everybody. we're the johnsons from detroit, michigan.e visited seaworld. it's one of our favorite places. >> yeah, i like when shamu gets everybody wet. >> when the whales get up close to the glass, whammo, you're a goner. >> orange county sheriff deputies have identified the 27-year-old man found dead in a killer whale's tank at seaworld. the victim is daniel p. dukes from south carolina. he was found draped over the back of tilikum, the largest orca whale in captivity. >> all i know is he was a young man that had been arrested not long before he snuck into seaworld. maybe he climbed the barbed wire fence and stayed after hours. >> perfect story line. a mentally disturb guy hides in the park after hours and strips his clothes off and decides he wants to have a magical experience with an orca and drowns because he became hypothermic. right. that the the story line and none of us know the difference. >> he was not detected by the night watch trainers who were presumably at the station. >> there are cameras all over seaworld. there are cam

shamu's true potential. we see it each and every day.ry carefully thought out, especially our waterwork interaction. whoa! you big dork! especially our water work interactions because they're potentially the most dangerous. >> i've been expecting it since the second person was killed. i've been expecting somebody to be killed by tilikum. i'm surprised it took as long as it did. >> first tonight, a six-ton killer whale has lived up to its name, killing an experienced trainer at seaworld today. >> a tourist at an earlier show said the whale seemed agitated. >> trainers complained the whales weren't cooperating. >> the main show was a disaster that day. >> they were whales chasing each other and eventually the trainers decided that they had to stop the show and they couldn't get the whales under control. >> tilikum was in the back pool set up to do a dine with shamu performance with dawn. >> likely, she saw what had gone on during the main show, and so she probably felt pressured to do a more good show. when you watch the whole video, you c

there are cameras all over the back of shamu stadium pointed every which way.i find it hard to believe that nobody knew until the morning that there was a body in there. they have a night watch trainer. that person didn't hear any slashing or screaming? i just find that really suspicious. >> one of the employees, i don't know if it was a physical therapist or somebody was coming in the morning and there was tilikum with a dead naked guy on his back, kind of parading him around the back pool. the public relation spin on this is he was a drifter and died of hypothermia, but the medical examiner reports were more graphic than that. for example, tilikum stripped him, bit off his genitals. there was bite marks all over his body. >> now whether that was post death or predeath, i don't know, but all i can comment on is the guy definitely jumped in the wrong pool. ♪ so why keep tilikum there? this guy has a proven track record of killing people. he's clearly a liability to the institution. why keep him around? well, it's quite simple to answer, and that is that his sem

years of study and experience to make the strict requirements necessary to interact in the water with shamu. >> come to find out, it is more about your personality and how good you can swim. >> i went and tried out and got the job right away. i was so, so excited. >> i really wanted to be there. i really wanted to do the job. i couldn't wait to get in the water with the animals. i really was proud of being a sea world trainer. i thought this was the most amazing job. >> i showed up there on my first day not really knowing what to expect. i was told to put on a wet suit and get in the water. >> hi, mom. >> i was scared out of my whits. >> first of all, i put my wet suit on backwards because i was raised on a farm in virginia. my first thought and memory of that time was that dolphins are a lot bigger than they look when you get in the water next to them. >> well, i watched this show and this guy mike moracco comes out during the show with a dress on, as dorothy in a dress with the sea lion, the coward sea line and walking along with a basket and go i will never ever do that, you know. two mo

you know, that sells a lot of shamu dolls and tickets at the gate.tinue to stick with for as long as they can. >> recognize that those that say this is a crazed animal that acted out and grabbed dawn maliciously, they want to prove the theorem that captivity makes animals violent. crazy. and that is just false. >> all animals in captivity have a bad life. they're all destroyed. they're all psychologically traumatized. so they are ticking time bombs. it's not just tilikum. >> we have to separate what happened to dawn, and as tragic as it is and no one wants to see it happen again. can seaworld create an environment where it never happens again? yes, i absolutely believe they can. what if there were no seaworlds? i can't imagine a society with the value we put in marine mammals if those parks didn't exist. >> i'm not at all interested in having my daughter who is three and a half grow up thinking that it's normalized to have these intelligent, highly evolved animals in concrete pools. i don't want her to think that's how we treat the kin that we find o

and saw the night show at shamu stadium, popular stadium music, and i was driven to want to do that.> and i saw what the trainers did. and i said "that's what i want to do." >> one of the trainers there, he goes "what are you doing out there?" you should be a trainer. i said "i don't know how to train animals." i've never trained animals in my life. >> how do you prepare yourself with an encounter with an 8,000 pound orca. >> i thought you needed a masters degree in marine biology to be a trainer. >> it takes years of study and experience to make the strict requirements necessary to interact in the water with shamu. >> come to find out, it really is more about your personality and how good you can swim. >> i went and tried out and got the job right away. i was so, so excited. >> i really wanted to be there. i really wanted to do the job. i couldn't wait to get in the water with the animals. i really was proud of being a sea world trainer. i thought this was the most amazing job. >> i showed up there on my first day not really knowing what to expect. i was told to put on a wet suit an

built around you friendly. ♪ >>> hi, shamu. hi, everybody.. we sure had a great time when we visited seaworld. it's one of our favorite places. >> i like when shamu gets everybody wet. >> when the whales get up close to the glass, whammo, you're a goner. >> orange county sheriff deputies have identified the 27-year-old man found dead in a killer whale's tank at seaworld. the victim is daniel p. dukes from south carolina. he was found draped over the back of tilikum, the largest orca whale in captivity. >> all i know is he was a young man that had been arrested not long before he snuck into seaworld. maybe he climbed the barbed wire fence and stayed afterhours. >> perfect story line. a mentally disturb guy hides in the park afterhours and strips his clothes off and decides he wants to have a magical experience with an orca and drowns because he became hypothermic. >> he was not detected by the night watch trainers who were presumably at the station. >> there are cameras all over seaworld. there are cameras all over the back of shamu stadium po

that sell as lot of shamu dolls, a lot of tickets at the gate.y line that they're going to continue to stick with for as long as they can. >> recognize that those that say this is a crazed animal that acted out and grabbed dawn maliciously, they want to prove the theorum that captivity makes animals crazy and that is just false. >> all whales in captivity have a bad life. they're all emotionally destroyed. they're all psychologically traumatized. so they are ticking time bombs. it's not just tilikum. >> we have to separate what happened to dawn -- and as tragic as it is, no one wants to see it happen again -- can seaworld create an environment where it never happens again? yes, i absolutely believe they can. >> what if there were no seaworlds? i can't imagine a society with the value we put in marine mammals if those parks didn't exist. >> i'm not at all interested in having my daughter who is 3 1/2, grow up thinking that it's normalized to have these intelligent, highly evolved animals in concrete pools. i don't want her to think that's how we t

that sell as lot of shamu dolls, a lot of tickets at the gate.s the story line that they're going to continue to stick with for as long as they can. >> recognize that those that say this is a crazed animal that acted out and grabbed dawn maliciously, they want to prove the theorum that captivity makes animals crazy and that is just false. >> all whales in captivity have a bad life. they're all emotionally destroyed. they're all psychologically traumatized. so they are ticking time bombs. it's not just tilikum. >> we have to separate what happened to dawn -- and as tragic as it is, no one wants to see it happen again -- can seaworld create an environment where it never happens again? yes, i absolutely believe they can. >> what if there were no seaworlds? i can't imagine a society with the value we put in marine mammals if those parks didn't exist. >> i'm not at all interested in having my daughter who is 3 1/2, grow up thinking that it's normalized to have these intelligent, highly evolved animals in concrete pools. i don't want her to think that'

. >>> hi, shamu. hi, everybody. we're the johnsons from detroit, michigan. had a great time when we visited seaworld. it's one of our favorite places. >> yeah, i like when shamu gets everybody wet. >> when the whales get up close to the glass, whammo, you're a goner. >> orange county sheriff deputies have identified the 27-year-old man found dead in a killer whale's tank at seaworld. the victim is daniel p. dukes from south carolina. he was found draped over the back of tilikum, the largest orca whale in captivity. >> all i know is he was a young man that had been arrested not long before he snuck into seaworld. maybe he climbed the barbed wire fence and stayed after hours. >> perfect story line. a mentally disturb guy hides in the park after hours and strips his clothes off and decides he wants to have a magical experience with an orca and drowns because he became hypothermic. right. that the the story line and none of us know the difference. >> he was not detected by the night watch trainers who were presumably at the station. >> there are cameras all over

children are some of shamu's biggest fans.e want. >> i thought i knew everything about killer whales when i worked there and everything about the animals. i really know nothing about killer whales. i know a lot about being a killer whale trainer, but i don't know anything about these animal's natural history or their behavior. i really in some ways believed a lot of what i was learning from them because why would they lie? >> because the whales in their pools die young, they like to say that all orcas die at 25 to 35 years. >> 25 to 35 years. >> they're documented in the wild living to be about 35, mid 30s. it's longer in this environment because they have all the veterinary care. >> and of course that's false. we knew by 1980 after half a dozen years of research that they live equivalent to human life spans. and every other potentially embarrassing fact is twisted and turned and denied one way or another. >> so in the wild they live less. >> like the floppy dorsal fins. >> 25% of whales have a fin that turns over like that as

it sells a lot of shamu dolls. it sells a lot of tickets at the gates.ory line that they're going to continue to stick with for as long as they can. >> recognize that those that say this is a crazed animal that acted out and grabbed dawn maliciously, they want to prove the theory that captivity whales makes them crazy. >> all whales in captivity have a bad life. they're all psychologically traumatized. so they're ticking time bombs. it's not just tilikum. >> we have to separate what happened to dawn, and as tragic as it is, no one wants to ever see it ever happen again. can seaworld create an environment where it never happens again? yes, i absolutely believe they can. what if there were no seaworlds? i can't imagine a society with the value we put in marine mammals if those parks didn't exist. >> i'm not at all interested in having my daughter, who is 3 1/2, grow up thinking it's normalized to have these intelligent highly evolved animals in concrete pools. i don't want her to think that's how we treat the kin that we find ourselves around on this plane

and saw the night show at shamu stadium. very emotional. popular music.as very driven to want to do that. >> and i saw what the trainers did. and i said, that's what i want to do. >> one of the trainers there said, what are you doing out there? you should be a trainer. i didn't know how to train animals. i'd never trained animals for my life. >> how do you prepare yourself for an encounter with an 8,000 pound or ca? >> i thought you needed a master's degree in marine biology to be a train. >> it takes years of study and experience to meet the strict requirements necessary to interact in the water with shamu. >> come to find out it really is more about your personality and how good you can swim. >> i went and tried out, got the job right away. i was so excited. so so excited. >> i really wanted to be there. i really wanted to do the job. i couldn't wait to get in the water with the animals. i really was proud of being a seaworld trainer. i thought this was the most amazing job. >> i showed up there on my first day, not really knowing what to expect. i was

and saw the night show at shamu stadium, popular stadium music, and i was driven to want to do that.at the trainers did. and i said "that's what i want to do." >> one of the trainers there, he goes "what are you doing out there?" you should be a trainer. i said "i don't know how to train animals." i've never trained animals in my life. >> how do you prepare yourself with an encounter with an 8,000 pound orca. >> i thought you needed a masters degree in marine biology to be a trainer. >> it takes years of study and experience to make the strict requirements necessary to interact in the water with shamu. >> come to find out, it really is more about your personality and how good you can swim. >> i went and tried out and got the job right away. i was so, so excited. >> i really wanted to be there. i really wanted to do the job. i couldn't wait to get in the water with the animals. i really was proud of being a sea world trainer. i thought this was the most amazing job. >> i showed up there on my first day not really knowing what to expect. i was told to put on a wet suit and get in the w

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- i had this dream as a child, the thing i really wanted to be when i grew up was the woman in the shamu whale at sea world, standing on, nose of the whale, you come out of the water and it's amazing, magical. >> jimmy: the headset on. yeah. yeah. >> get to tell the dolphins what to do. this was my dream. i study really hard. i got really into marine biology. all my cousins. i was into it. and then i got to ap bioin high school. and the joke in my family that's i was like forget the whale i will be on stage by myself. and that's when kerry washington was born. >> jimmy: you could have been walking around with buckets of chum right now. you didn't even realize. >> i know. instead i'm on "scandal." >> jimmy: a great episode tonight. really, really good one. >> so fun. >> jimmy: when something like that happens you. say to your parents. >> thank you for saying that. >> jimmy: i want to be a marine biologist. a lot of young girls will say i want to be a veterinarian. do they encourage you, or do they go, all right, yeah, okay, great. >> the thing about, not only is my mother a teacher. a lot

yes, we're talking about shamu and seaworld because this stock is down 19%, like we said.maybe if the tides turn right for seaworld, could head higher. overall, we've gone through all these different companies in a very unscientific basic look at two-factor model for how to pick stocks. a lot of professional money managers will take all these factor, put them together in multiple combinations to come up with some of these names and, perhaps, others. maria, bill, some ugly ducklings may not be turning to swans but it's one way money managers look to pick stocks. back to you. >> let's talk about it. is the ugly duckling strategy a good one for individual investors to think about or in most cases, are these ugly for a good reason? kevin is the ugly duckling strategy, he says marry them while they're ugly, they might get beautiful later. gary says those stocks look like that for a reason and investors should usually avoid them. good to see you both. thanks for joining us again. kevin, why do you think this is a good strategy? >> well, i'm always in favor of buying a swan at a