when you look around, they have had accomplished players like hall, shanahan come and go and they'rell the top team that competes for a championship year after year. that big reason is lidstrom has been there for them and he is one of the guys that can get the minutes and neutralize players on another team. hedman, i think there will be a learning curve but i think he can be a dominant player for a long time. >> e.j., one final thought, not on the draft but on the trade that came about the flyers getting chris pronger in exchange for lupul and draft picks. how big a deal is this for the players? >> it's a huge deal. they want to win now, they want to be the stanley cup champions. also against the washington capitals. they look at the teams, that have really talented forwards. sidney cross burks alex ovechkin in washington, crosby in pittsburgh, you have to have big, tough, strong talented defensemen to offset those guys. philadelphia has a real good team. they have a big addition with pronger, one of the top defensemen in the league. he is going to the hall of fame on the first ballo

it, and he became a free agent and he became the highest paid guy, and every time you heard mike shanahan say something, you had to question really? is that what we're doing? so you're ruining your ability to be credible, and i look at t so you're ruining your ability to be credible, and i look at this team, and you go from a super bowl contender to pretender. guys aren't going to trust you. >> this team has been on the incline, it's a team on the rise, but if you look at his res incline, it's a team on the rise, but if you look at his respect and credibility, it's on the decline and their trust in their head coach. this timeline under brad childress, remember williamson, when his grandmother died, and he atte2r head. over your head. over your head. over your head. over your head. over your head. over your head. over your head. over your head. over your head. over your head. over your head. over your head. over your head. over your head. over your head. over your head. over your head. over your head. over your head.r head. over your head. over your head. over your head. over your head. ov