you are a professional, you're just not getting paid as one. >> rose: and shane batier thinks college athletes should be snad >> he absolutely does. >> every pro-athlete i ever talked to did and they all hate their universities because they say when i get to the pros i'm doing the same thing i was doing there except i'm making millions. >> one of the reasons you have these petty scandals at places like ohio state andmiami is it because it breeds such cynicism. the players see all the money that would otherwise go to them go to every other part about. the coach makes $5 million so they think to themselves yeah, i'm going to sell my ring for a tattoo. >> the reason it's a petty scandal is because the n.c.a.a. rules define it as a scandal. not the way the system is. and that to me... if there's one thing penn state can do it's to roe focus one the scandal is and how to organize college sports because penn state has a lot in common with other programs. >> rose: you have suggested that penn state does not have... i think the words you used were the... does not have the character to make th