[applause] next to shane is jeanne woodford former undersecretary of the california department of corrections and rehabilitation and a strong opponent of the death penalty. jeanne woodford thanks for coming. [applause] and alysia santo flew in from new york for this. she's investigative journalist for the martial projects and nonprofit news organization covering the u.s. criminal justice system. she recently wrote an extensive piece on the business of private transport in some of the horrific literally horrific conditions of people face as they are driven thousands of miles so thanks for coming alysia santo. >> thanks for having me. [applause] i want to start by giving the audience some context alysia santo at the u.s. prison populations of the total prison population is about 2 million. what proportion of that is private? >> the 2 million includes people in jail so that's about 600,000 people not including the total population you have 15 million who are in state or federal prison and end out of those 126,000 or so based on 2015 numbers are held in a private facility either a facility operat