. >> i should say, i misspoke, his name is shannon dowell.onnie, how did you learn this menu as butch who'd deliver these dragon sleeves to you that led to a felony arrest, how did you learn that he is a police officer named shannon dowell? >> ok, so after we got arrested, this was maybe a month or month and a half later, we got an anonymous tip, an email tip off about butch. again, we knew him as butch. they told us his first and was actually shannon and he was with the police department, and was involved in the port action. that is pretty much what they gave us. we did not have a full identity. we did not know his last name or where within the group he was. eventually over time, looking through public records like birth records, marriage records, death records and things like that, salary records for the police department, i was able to find his first and last name and we were able to get a subpoena. >> greg gladden, you are running cars is an attorney, the head of the aclu, with the national lawyers guild. when you came into this case, why

it's come out on the record we've had two pretrial hearings now where shannon dowels identity that's the name of the undercover officers there's three that are involved but under the record it's come out. very very much to go to the store purchase the materials assemble the devices and then drop them off for the protesters to use in houston and like i said he's one of the three other undercover officers that's also involved that were also involved in bed with the occupy here in austin now also interesting from the transkei script is that the undercover detective happened to lose a memory drive with all of this data and e-mails on his way to court now do you believe that. no i don't believe. it it's certainly been what we've been getting from the austin police department and a little bit from the houston district attorney's office we'd asked for information regarding an agent provocateur who were or other communications that might have been coming from austin from the d.a.'s office months ago and the fact that we had to dredge it out that i had to find dallas identity and then hand it