we're joined by shannon foley martinez, a former white supremacist. she serves as a consultant with the research and innovation lab at american university. shannon, welcome. >> thank you so much for having me. >> in your case with your experience, was the key to deradicalizing you similar to what radicalized you? was there one linchpin, or was there more to it? >> we love stories that have this great ending with this poetic moment, but it's very rarely like that, that there has to be some conditions that are met are some of the needs that you had about that extremist viewpoint was filling in your broken life, that those needs start to be met more effectively and more holistically and in better, more pro social ways. basically i ended up being taken in by a family and had a place where i felt like i really belonged and a place where i felt like i was seen and heard and loved and was able to give love. >> how much is belonging a factor in radicalization? it seems like that's the key whether we're talking about gangs in tough communities in the u.s. or yo

i'm shannon foley martinez i am a consultant apparel where dr miller just works i am also a former violent white supremacist i've been out of the movement for over 25 years and i work towards helping off ramp and disengage people who are currently still in far right spaces. and my area of passion is actually working on prevention so that we can better an ocular people from ever finding residence with with any of the stuff in the 1st place i also have 7 kids hence why i'm coming to you from like bunker shadow here it's the only place i could talk to one of those hurts me. shut i'm looking forward to him welcome you in just a moment mine i have to share all my laptop this was something that could end the stream just before we went to u.s. army national guard members with ties to fringe right group militias being removed to security mission secure joe biden's presidential inauguration an army official and seen the intelligence officials say that's what we're talking about. i'm just thinking about all of the work he's done over many many years and i know you can't be surprised about this but w