shannon watts is the founder of moms demand action.r group was formed soon a the tragedy at sandy hook elementary school.th and ine newman is author of the book "rampage: the social roots of school shootings." she's a professor of sociology the university of massachusetts. welcome both of you to the newshour. shannon watts let me start with you, i will get to the specifics in just a momakent butg this proposal as a whole, do you think it will prelvent, p prevent school shootings in the future? n>> no, i mean i do't think the proposal put forward by the president is anylway hepful. in fact, in a word it's pathetic it takes all of the onus for gun safety in this country and pushes it down to the states while elevating the nra's top priorities like arming teachers and incentivizing the states to do that. look, if arming teachers was the answer, we wouldn't have the oblem we have in this country. we need to disarm dangerous people, not arm teachers. and the reality is even highly trained police officers t their tar bets about 18% of the ti

for analysis of all of this, shannon pettypiece covers the i white house for bloomberg news. clint watts. former fbi special agent. chuck rosenberg is also an msnbc contributor and former u.s. attorney and senior fbi official. chuck, i'll start with you since you're here in studio. let's talk first about this story related to jared kushner. the fact you now have this story from "the new york times" that some of the businesses that he was dealing with received some type of business boon in the wake of meetings at the white house with jared kushner. how big of a deal is this? as julia says, we don't really know whether bob mueller will look at this. >> i think julia used the phrase pay to play and that's exactly right. let's boil it down to its essen essence. is he using his position in the white house to obtain favorable treatment conditions, loans, for his businesses. is he using his position in the white house to forgo actions that somebody would have taken had they not had a conflict of interest? people always talk about this, kristen, as if it's really complex and nuanced and layered.