on dream image of like mental midgets or something which is fascinating because you stump for sharon angle so i don't know where he gets off complaining about her but you know the all the movie imagery i think shows like the desperation like you're getting down to the line the caucus the republican caucus is not behaving like people like john mccain and john boehner want to be some of the resorting to the sort of movie imagery to inspire people keep their attention yeah yeah maybe i am bored now i know they've realized that everybody is just like oh this is all politics and ridiculous so they're like god we have to make people care and they will like you know the lord of the rings series well on that note in our office is actually sparked a very intellectual conversation about what is the difference between a troll and a hobbit. every member station everybody in the newsroom was telling me on the differences i do not want to get john mccain you know he's going to be really good about this he's got america thinking about the war the rates again success ok success speaking of being loopy spe

this is the kind of crack political thinking that turned sharon angle and christine o'donnell into gopsenate nominees. >> sean: joining me senator mccain. senator, i read the journal editorial. i'm against the editorial. i read the weekend standard today, i'm angry at them. the tea party didn't cause the death crisis we have. the democrats and obama did. they didn't spend all this money to bring us on the brink of default, the president and democrats brought us to this point. why are you attack the tea party? >> first, i was reading from a wall street journal editorial -- > sean: attack the tea party. >> i was attacking the idea that somehow if -- it was attack the idea that somehow if we shutdown the government then obama would get the blame and republicans would triumph. i disagree. i think that the fact is, if we don't act in the republican house, and i believe by the way, that they will, at least i hope they will, then the ball will be in president obama's court and geraldo rivera, who has, as you pointed out -- and harry reid, who has, as you pointed out one of the flimsy transpar

middle earth having defeated mordore this is the kind of crack political thinking that turned sharon angle senate nominees. >> greta: uh-oh. christine o'donnell released this statement: i think it is inappropriate to insult the judgment of the majority of republicans in nevadan >> greta: ouch. what does senator mccain say about that? tune into tomorrow night you can hear from him, right here. you have the best of the rest. where is vice president during these debt talks? these debt talks? jimmy fallon [ male announcer ] this is the network. a network of possibilities. excuse me? my grandfather was born in this village. [ automated voice speaks foreign language ] [ male announcer ] in here, everyone speaks the same language. ♪ in here, forklifts drive themselves. no, he doesn't have it. yeah, we'll look on that. [ male announcer ] in here, friends leave you messages written in the air. that's it right there. [ male announcer ] it's the at&t network. and what's possible in here is almost impossible to say. host: could switching to geico [ male announcer ] reon car insurance? or more host: do

this is the kind of crack political thinking that turned sharon angle and christine o'donnell into gop senate nominees. >> he was reading obviously from a "wall street journal" editorial but pretty harsh words about the influence, the effect of the tea party on this debate. what do you make of what he said? >> he sounds angry. i'm pretty upset. and i haven't had the philosophy of sound money and personal liberty that i desire. but i hope i don't sound that angry. because i think that we have to change people's ideas and change people's attitude about government and find out what the role of government ought to be. see, nobody talks about in the midst of all this we should be talking about why we can't be the policemen of the world and why the entitlement system has to be totally revamped. >> do you think the impact of these new members, these tea party members and sort of ideologically you were out in front of a lot of these folks, do you think it's been a good influence right now? do you think it's a good positive effect what's happening right now, this dissension within the republica

this is the kind of crack political thinking that turned sharon angle and christine o'donnell into g.o.p nominees. the reality is that the debt limit will be raised one way or another and the only issue now is how -- with how much fiscal reform and what political fallout. >> john mccain saying look both sides, let's cut this out. let's figure it out. jim cooper has spruced a bill that will get everyone's attention. if the country goes into default he says that members of congress won't get their paychecks and won't get the money retroactively if the country comes out of default. maybe that will get their attention. >> shepard: maybe it. will maybe that's the reason for the sirens back there ed henry in the white house lawn. good toe sue. thank you. the nation could lose top notch rating if lawmakers do figure a way out of this crisis which they created. in other words, the damage may already be done by them. keep in mind, a credit downgrade will result in higher borrowing costs that could add billions of dollars to the national debt. executives from two top credit agencies told the lawma

this is the crack political thinking that turns sharon angle and christine o'donnell to senate g.o.p. nominees. >> bret: do you agree with that characterization? >> the tea party folks in the house who say they are standing on principle not to raise the debt ceiling remind me a lot of senator barack obama who did the same thing, voting against the debt ceiling increase when he was in the senate. sometimes people are just so firm in their beliefs that they think they have to vote against the debt ceiling increase, even though the majority of us in the republican and democratic parties believe it would be a mistake. that is to extent the debt ceiling so we don't get in the economic problems that economist if we didn't. i would disagree a little bit with my colleague dick durbin here. while it's true that it's not a good thing that we use the debt creeling to focus the debate on reduced spending, it has resulted in a change in the president's attitude from a clean debt ceiling, no spending reductions at all to an agreement where we have over $1 trillion in spending reductions now. in the

. >> are they as stupid as sharon angle, she is showing a cowboy movie with them coming to kill the white people. are they stupid, you're saying they're stupid enough to run those ads? >> yes, they not only are stupid that way, they really don't understand, i think, the importance of the latino community in this country. they have people like jeb bush and karl rove talking to them behind the scenes because jeb bush and carl rove are nervous they'll never see the white house if they are on this pass. the path to the white house leads through latino communities and they'll never see inside if they don't change. >> let me get to casa blanca. back to christina, this question about the immigration bill, i'm a skeptic either side are listening to that. they want the politics, is that fair? >> absolutely. you saw that play out in 2005 and 2006. you had a comprehensive immigration reform bill that president bush supported and a lot of republicans risked their neck for. it met completely back fired on them. that's one reason republicans lost the house in 2006, it wasn't just a democratic wave. >>

sharon angle is one of them. she'll react to that.ouse republican members meet in private to talk about the debt ceiling bill. the house this recess for the moment. south carolina republican congressman tim scott will be in that meeting. he will be with us before he goes into that meeting. up to now he has been a no. will he change his mind? you will find out right after this. ma where do you go to find a busess backed by the superguarantee®? only& suonline.s®. on your phone. or in the book. go to superpages®. and let the good guys save the day. >> the republican plan is not a solution. as experts say, all too soon we will be back in the midst of partisan raging with our economy being held prisoner by extremists in the republican party led by the tea party. martha: there you have it, calling the tea party extremists. we are awaiting 10:00 a.m. meaning the capitol hill. you can see the live shot on capitol hill. very 10 this morning there. joined now by south carolina congressman tim scott. he is a freshman elected with strong tea part

boehner bill saying about opposition to it "this is the kind of crack political thinking that turned sharon anglenate gop nominees. in reality the debt limit will be raised one way or the other, and the open issue now is with how much fiscal reform and what political falloutings. -- today on the senate floor john mccain said enough is enough. >> that is not fair to the american people to hold out and say, we won't agree to raising the debt limit until we pass a balanced budget amendment to the constitution. it's unfair. it's bizarre. and maybe some people have only been in this body for six or seven months or so really believe that. >> divisions within the gop itself. i spoke about that earlier with democratic strategist james carville and former bush press secretary ari fleischer. currently you can follow him on twitter at, what is it, at twitter.com/ari fleischer. >> so james, it seems like some of the stiffest opposition to boehner's bill at least to start with came from his own party. is this kind of a rebellion in the ranks normal or do does it seem somewhat unusual here? >> they told us exa