oh peter mandolin agrees with sharon graham.a new alliance. >> i agree that we need more than policy tweets and we need more than small twists of the policy dial. yes, i'm happy to be bold, but not pulled and stupid. >> you're not going to be campaigning for the nationalization of bp? >> i'm going to be campaigning for a labor government that's going to invest in home insulation or grid energy security and efficiency in peoples homes. i'm going to be campaigning for a labor government that's going to get british workers building electric vehicles. i'm going to campaigning for a labor government that's going to get steele lakers making green steel, not passing 96 billion pounds worth of public funds to the shareholders in bp and other energy companies. okay? so now you know what bolden stupid is. bold, yes. stupid, no. >> let's talk about you and i don't want to spend all my time refereeing you and sharon. but let's talk about you. we've been talking, discuss sane, are going about politics. i think we discovered 50 years now. we

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that was the message l we were getting from sharon graham, for general security of unite.s remold, rethink about how distribute the cake. and she sat somewhere in the back of the hall. that's part of the management of the message at the moment, isn't it? it's a very well—managed conference was a biting mina in positive and negative sense to be frank. sharon graham is right, her members have been on strike in a whole range of fields and of one better pay rises for their members. we've got the worst cost crisis in british recorded history. people are worse off now than they were in 2008. if your public sector worker you're earning £16 a week less than you were in 2010 in real terms. there is a real level of poverty. 600,000 extra children are living in poverty compared with 2010. there's a huge amount of human need that needs to be done. saying we will get growth is right, and having a better industrial strategy is right for the labour government will probably come in if the polls are right and i think they are because they all confirm it, they've got to do something immedia

interesting interview with sharon graham with charterer philips this morning insane the party had beenimid. >> yeah, and that's actually a refrain that you hear not just from the left of the party, but sharon graham represents a general secretary of unite, but also figures in the shadow cabinet on the right of the party to. what's treating was appearing, the health secretary on trevor shell as well, and he was saying that a lot of our plants are actually extremely bold. to take, for instance, some treatment taken out of the hospital system and taken into the community. that's a very big shift, he claims, for the nhs. but i think there is a sense that there are more gears that keir starmer can go up to. but the context that we come back to is that we've had four terms of conservatism on downing street, and the central argument of this conference is that they feel, the labour party feels, it's time for a change. and they want to explain why that means voting for keir starmer in the next election. >> thank you, we'll be coming back to you during the course of the day, and of course, the n

. >> i can't exactly channel sharon graham but what she would say is that yes, that's all very fine,t actually, the big thing right now is energy, cost of living, you're not doing very much on that, would you really need to do is nationalize the electricity and gas industry. we are not hearing anything from labor on that scale. >> we have one better to deliver will change for people which is we've committed to a real windfall tax. that would deliver real help to families in terms of cost of living. and, the ambitious plan through gb energy into the enormous expansion of both new nuclear and new renewables to create energy security, the jobs -- that's an ambitious plan, it's a credible plan. a plan we are going to make our case to the british people. >> you are not bothered by the reports that her view is actually shared, the view that you're basically a bit wet a shared by some old people. >> i don't think that's a fair characterization of their views. you can read what they said in the newspaper yesterday. >> and you look at where the labour party was when he became the leader of th

there are calls coming from wrack are calls coming from matt wrack from graham, from unite, from sharon graham peter heard it from lord peter mandelson. i think now keir starmer needs to be really clear about what he stands for and we're beginning to see it as we've just discussed about rwanda. we're beginning to see dividing lines coming up between them and the tories. i think they are still ahead in the polls, but they are absolutely right. not to go into this conference as andrew rawnsley said in the observer today , they said in the observer today, they can be confident, but they mustn't be cocky. we saw what happened with kinnock at happened with neil kinnock at that in that famous conference in sheffield . you know, we're still sheffield. you know, we're still possibly out from an possibly 18 months out from an election and we know those of us that are old enough to remember what happened in 1992, you know , nobody thought the tories would win. and john major got back into power. so nothing is in the bag. but they will be buoyed. certainly by the rutherglen, rutherglen and hamilton by—el