decided to step down as the co-chairs of the era america, they recruited helen milliken and sharon percy rockefeller to take their places, so she continued to have a very close relationship. um, i think that she had a great deal of respect for bill milliken as a politician, and i think he was clearly out of the same moderate republican mold that she was out of. any other questions? or comments people want to share from your own experiences? go ahead again, bill. >> no, go ahead, liz. >> liz. >> i wanted to say, i gather that you're a little bit younger, so -- [inaudible] when she was breaking through all those barriers, i be i -- but i can remember her -- [inaudible] and i thought you captured so well how it felt to just see the little article on the women's section about her and what she was doing. she really was a groundbreaker. >> i think you're right, and the comment was about that if you were a woman, shall we say in our 60s or so -- and older women as well -- that she caught your attention. and it was like i said, the headlines around here could refer to elly, and you knew who they were talkin