sharon waxman, editor in chief of the wrap. did i say cnn pictures or sony pictures?> you did. >> sony pictures. you're shaking your head. especially during the part with tyler perry. why is that? >> well, you know, this is such a hard issue. there are free speech issues on both sides. the purpose of this hacking is to prevent studios from putting out controversial movies. imagine the next studio that wants to put out a movie critical of islam. those folks are not going to just hack. they're going to engage in violence. so we have to protect freedom of speech on that side. on the other hand, we have to protect freedom of speech of newspapers and the media that want to publish this material. >> and carl, aaron sorkin's "new york times" op-ed calls on news outlets who publish the hacked material. he says they're morally treacherous and spectacularly dishonorable. is he right? >> i think he's right about some of the news organizations. absolutely. we have an idiot culture. i've written about it for a long time. with sleaze and misinformation, disinformation, manufactured

the best way was to not release the movie at all. >> sharon waxman, thank you very much.hen we come back, are you ready for some football analysis? will releach is back. ♪ >> the san francisco 49ers have cut a defensive lineman after the police said they were investigating him for suspicion of sexual assault. if anybody's surprised, they have been not following the nfl. the fact is this is the worst year that roger goodell and the nfl have had -- sex abuse child abuse, lies upon lies. but since this is america, we will not stop watching. so before you turn on the game tonight, listen to will leach and what he has to say about what football means for americans and its brazenly defined leader. >> we are sitting outside of the fortress that is nfl headquarters. roger goodell is in his office away from the inquisitive questions from reporters or angry protesters. the trouble for roger goodell surfaced showing former raven star ray rice knocking his then-fiance unconscious in atlantic city elevator. roger goodell suspended him only two games, half of what the league mandates f

also, i think that we ought to really go back to sharon waxman's question though.t the hell was sony thinking of in the first place about a movie with an exploding head of the north korean leader? >> held thold that thought. seth rogan was at the center of this. let's listen. >> we wanted to make a movie that had one foot in reality, something we as filmmakers like. and think is interesting. as audience members as well. >> is it appropriate to make jokes about real things in the world? >> i personally think it is property to make jokes about real things. >> did you think about changing his name. calling him phil jung-un. >> we did. then we thought whose feelings are we trying to spare by doing that, kim jung-un? >> the real question is what were they thinking. we'll answer that coming back. gentlemen. stay with me. when i come back i want to turn to the other big story tonight. the story opening cuba's doors to america for the first time in 50 years. how did president obama hammer out a deal behind closed doors and at the white house. how are people reacting in the

joining me now is sharon waxman, founder and editor in chief of "the wrap."porting on this has been so intensive. tell us what should we think about, first of all, the guidelines? what should we use? we've seen the david warning. these present huge ethical issues for reporters, for all of us. and also the future for sony pictures, for the executives involved and what may come next. >> yeah, well, there's a legal issue that involves what david boids is trying to impose which is to try to shut down media coverage of the hacking scandal and the information that has been leaked. that is a legal matter and we feel that that, we feel confident in what we've published up to now and from what we've seen by other comments by legal experts out in the press, the "washington post" and "new york times" there doesn't seem to be a lot of legal precedent that would support that. regardless of legal matter, of course, there is an ethical issue involved and that is something we are debating internally and weighing very carefully every time we public something related to this s

and, in los angeles, sharon waxman, the editor-in-chief of the wrap, a ouws website about the entertainmentrt with you, seeny seemed to have the sympathy of creative types-- entertainers, directors, but now that's change. what happened in the last 24 hours. >> apparently at the premiere in los angeles there was a standing ovation after seth rogan publicly thanked amy pascall, the cochairnl of sony for putting out the movie. i think he probably feels very differently today. i think the creative community feels that they had the rug pulled out from under them. they were sure that the studio was going to go ahead, despite the threats, and put the movie out. on the other hand, the studio really had to take those threats seriously, as did the theaters that had booked thatç film, if there were to be any kind of violence or anything untoward that happened, i mean would it really be worth it for putting out a movie? >> sreenivasan: david what, about this precedent? >> well, i think it's a terrible precedent. i think the idea that kim jong un can start sense org movies in the united states ofç ame

sharon waxman, editor in chief of the wrap, an industry news site, and james lewis, a cybersecurity expertthe center for strategic and international studies. i want to start with you. you're one to have the few people to get in touch with ms. pascal yesterday. how significant is this hack in is this what folks in tinseltown are all talking about now? >> it's the only thing people are talking about. it's by far the most significant thing to happen in the business this year for sure. probably will be in people's lives for years to come. largely because the studio has been more or less paralyzed for weeks now, i don't think that the studio is back to normal, from what we hear they're doing billing by hand. yesterday, we broke a story that the hackers once again penetrated their network and plashed a message on their computer screens, threatening to do more damage if their demands were met. that being said, their demands are nott a all clear. but i can every single studio in town is checking their own security and everyone is worried about their e-mails because, of course, anyone who's had con

bring in sharon waxman editor and chief of "the wrap."hey broke the story this morning that sony was releasing the movie theatrically and also a national security analyst. you broke the story this morning that "the interview" will be in theaters and video on demand. when and where can people go see this movie if they like? >> there's about -- we have a long list at all the theaters where it's going to be playing. sony has not yet announced or leaked said anything about what they plan excepted there is a plan, we confirm, for what they call in the industry a day and date release meaning both in theaters and screaming on demand at the same time. we are supposed to know tomorrow where you can stream it. >> julia, i asked there brown if he's been taking any precautions. he said his theater has always been very safe and not a huge concern there. how concerned for their safety should people be if they decide to see this movie? >> barely. i never thought it was a credible threat. movie theaters should take precautions because you never know who

joining me now, editor-in-chief of therap.com, sharon waxman.s is because he doesn't want this on his record and how much of this is because he wants to grow this restaurant chain? >> well, i haven't talked to mark to ask him what the calculation there is. but it's going to be a combination of both things. mark wahlberg is really not the person who he was at 16 years old. and that has been a stain on his history for a long time. and so the idea that he would come forward and remind everybody that he does have this criminal past and want to use that as a tool to help convince other people about how they can change their lives, i think, is an admirable thing, i really have to say, and pretty rare, because there's lots of people with former thug lives in their backgrounds who are working in entertainment as you well know. if it happens to be something he got motivated to do because he wants to expand his business, i don't think that should diminish what he's doing. diminish our regard for what he's doing. >> what do people make of him in hollywood?

like elizabeth warren, people like sharon brown and al franklin and sheldon white all progressive senators, i think they are fighting in the tradition of henry waxmaner. they are fighting under much different circumstances. in many ways they are fighting under much more difficult circumstances. the republican party was far last tilted to the right than it is to today. one of the republicans i mentioned in my piece congressman dave camp we know him now because he's stepping down as chair of the ways and means committee we know a lot of good work on foster care and adoption and he did that work with jay rockefeller and the late john chafee. so, the new progressives are in a more difficult time, but forgressives have been in difficult time before. think the 1920s. so they can get past this, too. >> i guess, it's interesting because the republican party of the '70s, the '80s and even the '90s not nearly as conservative. there were genuine republicans in the party back then. i guess you could say something on the democratic side. more liberal than it used to be. a lot of southern democrats and the blue dogs we came to call them and that's pretty much go