shatz was aware of the situation in ukraine, we're getting some conflicting news.he boss yesterday said actually mr. shatz was made aware of this in november, he has denied that, but if we do get information later on that says the opposite, that actually any resignations that come out that says mr. shatz did in fact know about this in november, as was said to mps yesterday, do you think that will make his role untenable? >> yes. because he had lied. and we have to live in a country where we expect ministers in the event that they're found not to be telling the truth to resign and to go. so i hope that is not the situation for him. if he's in that situation, i am afraid he would have to go. >> and please spread out for us what labor would do to close the loophole which allowed 800 people to be sacked on the spot by p & o? >> labor has been campaigning for a very, very long time, and this came out during the pandemic, when we had other major employers sack people summarily, and then re-hire people at significantly lower rates. we've been campaigning, supported by man