i'm delighted to be joined in the studio by anna firth, former conservative mp lord shaun bailey baileyhew lazar. good evening. good evening. all right. matt, did you hear anything today that seemed particularly radical? >> well, i think. >> well, i think. >> yeah, i think it is quite radical to cut away a whole layer of management. and i think the key thing which you heard in this clip there is to bring it back into democratic control, because the tories did these reforms in 2012, which set up nhs england. yes, they were committees and things before that, but they set up this big kind of big monster that has got, you know, duplicates all the functions of the department of health. it's got its own strategy department, its own press office, its own, you know, future functions, which are all already done by the department of health. so i don't think it's going to transform life for every patient every day. but i think it's the right the right direction, the first step in moving in the right direction in terms of cutting out excess managers, they're going to cut 1000 jobs. i don't think th

well, alongside me, i've got one of my panellists shaun bailey those scenes when you see it. it was i'll tell you when i was walking past the telly earlier on and i glanced at the screen, i thought i'd got the wrong channel on. i thought, what's that? that's not news. that's a movie. that's a horror. what was it? it was incredible to see that. >> yeah, it reminded me of the old days of exxon valdez and all those things going wrong. and it's so close. it's so close to our own coastline. that's the real shock about this. but look, while we have enormous tankers traversing the seas of the world, this is a worry. what what will be keen to us, i'd be keen to establish is it one of the newer double skinned tankers and how they're going to get that oil out of the water? and what will the impact be on our coast? is the current bringing it this way or is it bringing it out to sea? i think these are all things we want to establish very quickly. >> yeah, very valid questions there. let's cross live back to anna riley. the crunchy mike has been resolved. anna. >> yes, michelle. i don't k