. >> yesterday, or i guess the end of last week i did an interview with shawn eagan we'll 3u9 up as at who runs eagan jones, one of the, the third credit rating agency if will you. the only ones paid by bond buyers as opposed to banks to rubber stamp them with ratings as they do, and according to shawn eagan, we were, went from an $8 trillion deaf stoit aç $ trillion under obama. $3 trillion of that more or less related to three undeclared massively expensive wars. $2 trillion of that associated with the financial crisis. $1 trillion of the $2 trillion alone at fannie mae and freddie mac. how is it you can create a deficit by absorbing all of the housing debt into the government add freddie mac and fannie mae, fund all of these wars, no restructuring and continue to subsidize a banking system that's exporting capital by the trillion from our country and then solve that deficit problem by cutting medicare? that, i'm confused by that. >> el well, dylan, i'm too confused. not someone standing here saying the solution is cut medicare. the proposal harry reid will put in detail tonight wi