joining us from indiana is shawn sullivan who is following this story. you for being with us. >> thanks for having me. >> a flurry of e-mails overnight in statements from all three campaigns. what's behind this strategy? >> i think this is a strategy born out of desperation, for ted cruz and john kasich. they're looking at the remaining primary math. they are seeing that their chance to stop donald trump from clinching the republican no be quickly disappearing. basically what kasich and cruz has decided is not to try to run against each other in states where the other guy has a pretty good chance or a better chance of beating trump in a one on one race. here in indiana, ted cruz is now effectively in a one on one race with trump after kasich said i will not go hard for the state. in exchange, ted cruz ceded new mexico and oregon to john kasich. declaring him far one on one race against trump there. those states are capable to his centrist brand. this is all with the goal of trying to keep trump under that magic number of 1237 delegates >> certainly we'll

looking for in the remaining contests and here with me at the big board to help break it down is shawn sullivanne of the utahers of that middle east. shawn, thanks for stopping by. you say ted cruz and right now he is down by 200 delegates behind donald trump, if he loses big in new york which it looks like, if donald trump has a big day in the northeast after that this thing could explode to a 400 delegate lead for donald trump. if that's where cruz is behind roughly at the end of this month you're saying he has a strategy here when you look at this map, when the cruz campaign looks at this map of states to come, what's the strategy? >> they're targeting a few states next month, looking past the april primaries, so indiana is one that they're looking at, that's a state that is more in line with the type of -- >> may 3rd, that's the date of the indiana primary. >> ted cruz's father who is a well-known pastor has campaigned in the state. you look a week later to nebraska, another state cruz thinks he can do well, ben sasse -- >> he does not like donald trump. >> does not like donald trump, he ha