i use the word "victim," but josh, you actually did the shawn t. insanity thing and it worked, right? >> yes, it did. >> what did you end up with in terms of weight? >> started out at 293 and now down to 203. [ applause ] >> he did the t-25 workout. >> what is unique about this? >> first of all, i like to say that people are afraid to work out with me because they think it's hard. so i brought a modifier in. the number one people don't work out is they say they don't have enough time. i said 25 minutes, you have a modifier. i'm motivating you every step of the way. >> what is a modifier? >> if i'm doing crazy, high jumps, there's a modifier doing a less, low impact. there's no jumps. >> so it's a lesser shawn t. basically? >> yeah, kind of. but you work your way up. >> all these stories about the new fads, you don't have to do an hour-long workout. what is the minimum you need to do as a workout and how many times a week to get reasonably fit? >> good question here, because i'm a believer in the workout. it's working out with weights, 30 to 45 minut