i'm shawn thomas. i'll be back with another look at your headlines and let's say about an hour watching us with the ah, to still visionaries, nissan. chevry not our universe is full of unsolved and powerful mysteries. and one of the darkest thing, black holes do. recent advancements in science should at least some light on them. while to talk about this, i'm joined by 20 twain noble prize winner in physics, sir roger penrose. sir roger penrose physicist mathematician, philosopher 2020 noble prize winner and physics. so great to have you with us, today's sir roger. right, so when reacting to your noble prize, wait, you said that the black holes have become an increased importance in our understanding of the universe. so let me ask you as a lay person, why is the study of black holes so important? well, there's more than one reasons. important partly because there's such strange things where used to, you know, space continuing more or less, it's like. and to find these strange objects, which seem to be s