joining me now is nbc news producer and my producer normally at the white house, shawna thomas. e is our eyes and ears right now at guantanamo bay, cuba. so, shawna, tell me about this hearing and did we see any progress? >> a lot of progress, chuck. so this hearing is a little complicated but go with me. back in april what we learned is that the fbi approached a member of the defense team, asked him questions about other -- khalid sheikh mohammed and the other defense team, told him not to tell anyone. he did. we since learned at least three other members of the various defense teams were also approached by the fbi, and some of them months ago. what the defense says is that this has created a conflict of interest situation and that they need to know more about the investigation that the fbi was conducting. what the prosecution says is the investigations are over and that since they're over, there's no conflict of interest. all of this goes to say that actually this hearing has absolutely nothing to do with whether those five men are responsible for 9/11, and it's another example

joining me now, shawna thomas, who just returned from gitmo. good to see you and welcome.et's first talk about these allegations against the fbi. did anything come out of monday's hearing on that? >> the allegations came out in april, when a member of the defense team told the lawyer on the defense team, hey, the fbi approached me. what we learned in the time in between is that the fbi had been talking to multiple people on multiple defense teams. but if you are saying, did an actual conclusion come out, no. we have to wait on the judge to make a decision about whether there was a conflict of sbrst, whether the fbi approaching the defense team creates a situation where the -- where ksm and the other alleged 9/11 co-conspirators can't have a fair trial, basically. >> okay. i know you spoke with the public affairs commander there about the reaction to the bergdahl prisoner swap and how everyone found out about it. let's take a listen. >> it's been normal operations, and of course, they did know that something was happening. and they found out about it when everybody else did