you may remember their names are ruby freeman and her daughter shay moss. rudy giuliani amongst others print vicious lies and conspiracy theories about them after the 2020 election. they had no basis or fact he said. he never showed any evidence because it was false. let's go to caitlin. at what point do these people line about the election who continually are not able to provide any evidence to back up any of their claims, and this has been true going back to november 2020, at what point do they just stop? at what point do they just stop lying? >> i don't know. it hasn't happened yet and they are still claiming that evidence is coming that it is imminent and it is on the way they have never produced it doesn't exist so they won't be able to produce it. everyone who has done the hand recounts from the state of georgia to top election officials and the attorney general at the time, who went down a lot of rabbit holes to make sure he could tell the president none of it is true, none of it produced anything and they have continued to do it. when you are seeing

and shay moss and ruby freeman should be proud that they will be role models for everyone going intoection, the election workers the poll workers the election judges, everybody standing up for the actual infrastructure of political democracy which the republicans have declared warr on. >> that's interesting. you think it sends an inspiring message for people who volunteer, who work for not very much money in these essential jobs on election day? >> yeah, i m mean donald trump d his authoritarian cronies would want us to believe that democracy is something they throw around once that while, with vladimir putin and his assault on ukraine and president xi or whatever, requires tens of thousands of people to go out to educate voters, to register voters and count people's ballots and we saw in 2020 how trump and giuliani and steve bannon and danesh de s susa, that's why this beautiful mother-daughter team is such an exemplar for those who do this tireless and not well compensated work, where you could make like $10 an hour. >> do you think regardless who is on the ballot, regardless who w

. >> them being shay moss and her mother, ruby freeman.r defamation claim on top of the claim currently being litigated. on the stand was shay moss, one of the two election workers giuliani accused of committing fraud in the 2020 election. joining us from out the court how to is justice reporter ryan riley. wasn't there a signed affidavit or something from rudy giuliani a acknowledging that he was lying about the two women? am i remembering that correctly? >> reporter: you are. over the summer there was an acknowledgment that those statements were, in fact, false. obviously it's not something that rudy believes given his statements yesterday. and it really is just -- you wonder where rudy falls on this now because it's crazy to believe these allegations at this point, right. they have been so thoroughly disproven, and for someone to lean into there and say that these -- lean into there and say that these lies are true, remarkable, coming from a once u.s. attorney and mayor of new york. that's the situation we're in with shay moss testifyin

those women are shay moss and ruby freeman, a mother and daughter.hey were absentee ballot counters in the state of georgia after the election, counting those ballots that were mailed in for the vote. and giuliani and others accused them of switching votes or stealing votes. those are absolute lies that have been determined by this court. so the trial this entire week in washington, d.c., was about how much in damages rudy giuliani should be facing because of the repeated lies that he made. the jury's ultimate conclusion was a very astounding number in a lot of ways. that's quite a significant number. $148 million for any defamation case against an individual. he's not a company. it is a sizeable amount for the former mayor of new york. it's not about the money though. here is what freeman and moss had to say after court after the verdict was read. >> the flame that juul janne lit and passed to so many others to keep the flame changing changing every aspect of our lives, our home, our family, our work, our sense of safety, our mental health. >> i wan

. >> reporter: shay moss told the january 6th committee her life changed forever the dejany publicly spread conspiracy theories about her. angry election deniers showed up at her home, and ruby freeman was forced into hiding. >> i've lost my name and i've lost my reputation. i've lost my sense of security all because a group of people starting with number 45 and his ally, rudy giuliani, decided to scapegoat me and my daughter, shay, to push their own lies about how the presidential election was stolen. >> i second guess everything that i do. it's affect my life in a major way, in every way. all because of lies. >> reporter: giuliani claimed moss and freeman plotted to kick ballot watchers out of state farm arena, the spot in fulton county hosting the ballot counting. he also pushed the false narrative they had brought in suitcases filled with fake ballots for biden and scanned them into the system multiple times. and giuliani described surveillance video from that day he claimed showed ruby and her daughter exchanging usv memory sticks containing a fraudulent vote count. >> when you

the verdict is meant to compensate ruby freeman and her daughter shay moss for the years of threats, harassment and fallout from rudy giuliani's words after the 2020 election to a georgia state senate committee investigating the unfounded fraud. >> to tape earlier in the day of the two, it's obvious to anyone who is a criminal investigator or prosecutor, they're engaged in illegal activity again that day. >> reporter: both women detailed hours of emotional testimony on the stand how these false allegations upended their lives. they received death threats. giuliani saying tonight he was not to blame for those. >> the comments they received, i had nothing to do with. those comments are abominable, deplorable. my comments had no connection at all to those. there were thousands of things in the press about this of which mine were a small amount. >> reporter: the plaintiffs also said they were forced into hiding and have been turned down for jobs. >> the past few years has been devastating. the flame that giuliani lit with those lies to keep that flame blazing changed every aspect of our

my name is shay moss. i spent ten years as an election worker in fullton county, georgia. the lies rudy giuliani told about my and my mommy after the 2020 presidential election have changed our lives. in the past few years, have been devastating. the flame that giuliani lit with those lies and passed to so many others to keep the flame blazing, changed every aspect of our lives. our homes, our family, our work. our sense of safety. our mental health. and we're still working to rebuild. as we move forward, and continue to seek justice, our greatest wish is that no one, no election worker or voter or school board member or anyone else ever experiences anything like we went through. you all matter, and you are all important. we hope no one ever has to fight so hard just to get your name back. we're very grateful to the jury for taking the time out of their busy lives to do their civilianing -- civic duty. i know i won't be able to retire from my job with the county, but i hope taking these steps, these very big steps to justice that i can make her just as proud. thank you. >>

and there was he was the other night outside saying he was right and ruby freeman and shay moss wereixing the election. he's a remarkably arrogant person who will go to his grave believing he was right and donald trump was a victim. >> how does the jury -- don't remember this rudy giuliani. think of him after 9/11 and as the mayor of new york and all of these claims that they were making about what he was like then, saying that's -- that's not what the jury is considering here. >> it's irrelevant. this isn't about is rudy a good person, was he a good person two decades ago. this is about what damage did rudy giuliani's defamation do to ms. moss and ms. freeman. and there's two aspects of this and i think they're both going to come into play tomorrow. there's going to be compensatory damages, meaning you have to repay these people for the out of pocket damages they suffered or economic opportunities they lost. then there's what we call punitive damages. this case is why we have punitive damages because it allows the jury to send a message to tell them what you did was so grotesque, so

but for the people who do believe ruby freeman and shay moss. it is some sort of vindication and justice ruffling jordan my 1st there in washington to at least 4 people had been killed in a bomb attack in kenya. the attack took place in greece off the vehicle was struck by a roadside explosives. no one has yet claimed responsibility. security forces say they have successfully faulted and attempted to solve by the ongoing and should back in the same area are you leaders have drawn to a close that 2 day summit and brussels. they agreed to accession talks with ukraine, but struggle to agree on a ceasefire on garza, members of the block had been trying to use its diplomatic leverage to encourage and move towards peace. but this was prime minister benjamin netanyahu has mostly ignored the natasha butler has been following the summit and says european support for israel is dwindling. for on the 2nd day of the summits in brussels, you lead is focused on is relevant. who in garza, the e. u. was united in condemning her message, october the 7th attack, b

ruby freeman and shay moss are asking for $43 million in damages.ani's lawyer argued to the jury yesterday that much money would be, quote, the civil equivalent of the death penalty. michael? >> terry, thank you very much for that. now to new fallout in the case of the air national guardsman arrested in april for allegedly leaking highly classified materials online. the air force now arrested 15 air men for failing to stop him. aaron katersky is here with more this morning. good morning, aaron. >> reporter: good morning, michael. the leak of hundreds of classified defense documents on a gaming platform stunned the pentagon. now an investigation finds the air force missed several chances to stop it. this morning 15 air force members have been removed from their positions in the 102nd intelligence wing where massachusetts international guards man jack teixeira siphoned secrets from computers and posted them on discord. air force investigators say members of the group failed to po officials might overreact. had any of these members come forward and ale

the good thing, as you said, these shay moss and ruby freeman. they say money is not everything, they need to get back to their life as normal. it never will be. one good thing they left that courthouse with integrity. giuliani left with inequity. >> i hope they get money out of this >> i hope they do. >> get something. >> yes. i mean, they, they deserve it. but, look, ashley before you jump in let me play a little bit more of what giuliani had to say outside of the courthouse. remarkable stuff. >> the comments they received i had nothing to do with. those comments are abominable, deplorable but i receive comments like this every day. it is a terrible part of our political system. republicans, democrats, liberals, they all get that. my comment weren't that. >> let me just remind people, he claimed that they were acting like they were passing dope. >> right. >> he said that. >> i don't think it is an accident that rudy giuliani picked two black women in the state of georgia to attack. in a state where not too long ago their ancestors did not have

this follows testimony from her daughter, shay moss yesterday about the threats they've received. >> have a nice life. >> you're all going to jail. >> reporter: giuliani falsely accused freeman and moss of changing votes in georgia right after the 2020 presidential election. now they're suing him. and the judge in this case has already ruled giuliani defamed them. awarding them between $15.5 million and $43 million for the reputational harm they suffered from giuliani's statements and more for the emotional distress endured. last year they testified to the house committee about that. >> i've lost my name and my reputation and my sense of security. >> what we don't think about is this unequal kind of power dynamic that's going on here. when you have someone with that kind of huge platform and that fame saying something about someone who what no way to defend themselves on that platform. >> and they told the jury that even now they will continue to face threats despite the efforts on the public. she said they have found my new home and recently people have sent clippings of cut up pict

that all pales in comparison to now what he owes ruby freeman and shay moss for the defamation of what happened last week at trial, that jury verdict. that is the sort of thing he can go to the necropsy court and ask the judge, please discharge this debt. he has already agreed in that case, as part of the final judgment, that it was malicious. that is the sort of debt you can't get rid of through bankruptcy. he will be indebted to them very likely after some court proceedings for the rest of his life. >> we mentioned these other defamation lawsuit still pending against him. what are they? could that mean he will actually owe even more money? >> it very well could. you will not be surprised, there are three of them related to other statements he was making after the 2020 election, when he was working on behalf of donald trump. he clearly had that defamation case that he lost with ruby freeman and shaye moss , the two georgia election workers, also someone that works for one of the voting machine companies is suing him. there are two companies that have major lawsuit that are progressing

. >> reporter: shay moss, really emotional day of testimony from her, as she walked the jury through how her life had been personally affected by the conspiracy theories that rudy giuliani was amplifying after the 2020 election. she also told them she remains in fear for her life. she always feels like someone is watching her. i want to highlight one moment from her testimony that really underscores the persistent fear that she feels that is a direct result of these conspiracy theories. she said, i am most scared of my son finding me or my mom hanging outside my house on a tree, or having to get the news at a school that his mom was killed. moss really detailing and pretty graphic terms there for the jury about how there's a direct line between the conspiracy theories that rudy giuliani and donald trump were peddling at the time as they tried to overturn the election, also the impact it's had on her family. so this really does drop stark comparison to what we've heard from rudy giuliani in this case so far. you know, obviously shaye moss was asked if rudy giuliani had ever apologized

shay moss testified about that -- last year. >> a lot of these threats and vile comments racist in nature? >> a lot of them were racist. a lot of them were just hateful. but yes, sir. >> in one of the videos we just watched, mr. giuliani accused you and your mother of passing some sort of usb drive to each other. what was your mom actually handing you on that video? >> a ginger mint. >> a ginger mint. an attorney for the -- held up one of the minutes in court this weekend for our jury to see. leading off our discussion, glenn kirschner, msnbc legal analyst, and also with us harry litman, former u.s. attorney and former deputy assistant attorney general -- gentlemen, thank you for being with us this evening. glenn kirschner, first of all, explain to me the decision by judge chutkan to stay the proceedings. this procedural? or is it surprising in any way? >> this is criminal procedure one-on-one, ali. once an appeal has been filed the trial court's divested of jurisdiction and so she just has to stay the case, pause the case, and sort of sit back and await the appellate court rulings. inter

but rudy giuliani's lies made shay moss a pariah at work. she had panic attacks. she broke down crying in the bathroom. so she tried to find another job. she heard of an opening at chick-fil-a, fast food chain. the salary was lower but it would be an escape from her nightmare. she mentally prepared herself to work her way up from the bottom. she said she could make fries, she could work the cash register. at the end of her job interview for that position, this happened. the guy interfering me turned his not top around and showed an article of me, my face, plastic on it. fraud, in big letters. and the video that's been going around. and he was like, you know, the last question, tell me about this. is this you? is this true? moss was so embarrassed she just left the interview. rudy giuliani's lies impacted moss's family as well. her 14-year-old son was in remote schooling when this all happened because of the pandemic. moss couldn't afford wi-fi. so her son used an old cell phone of hers as a hot spot. but then conspiracy theorists found that phone number. they cons

the trial will determine how much the former new york city mayor and trump ally will pay shay moss andruby freeman. a judge found giuliani liable this year for defaming the two with claims that they committed fraud in the 2020 election. >>> new hampshire governor chris sununu is expected to endorse republican presidential candidate nikki haley. the endorsement from an early voting state could boost haley's status in the race for the gop presidential nomination. they are expected to appear together at a town hall tonight. scott, back to you. >> pippa, thank you. >>> up next, mike santoli is here with his midday work. we're back right after this. watch how easy it is to put on new hands free skechers slip-ins. i just step in and go. sitting? doesn't matter. i don't even have to touch them. ooo, gangsta. in a hurry? there's not a faster, easier way to put on shoes. they know a 10 when they see it. meet gold bond daily healing. a powerhouse lotion that moisturizes, heals, and smooths dry skin. with 7 moisturizers & 3 vitamins. and... new gold bond healing sensitive. clinically shown to hea

. >> reporter: after deliberating for about 10 hours, a jury awarded ruby freeman and shay moss $148ges, payable by rudy giuliani. that's more than triple the amount asked for by their lawyer. >> the absurdity of the number merely underscores the absurdity of the entire proceeding where not allowed to offer one single piece of evidence in defense. >> reporter: giuliani repeatedly said he would take the stand but never did, and his attorney presented no case. the former lawyer to president trump accused the mother and daughter election workers of exchanging electronic drives to flip votes in georgia after the 2020 election. an investigation by georgia's secretary of state concluded giuliani's allegations were unsubstantiated, and in august, the judge ruled giuliani liable for defamation. throughout the trial, giuliani continued to spread lies about the women. the women shared the emotional toll after the verdict. >> i can never move back into the house that i called home. i will always have to be careful about where i go and who i choose to share my name with. >> reporter: it's likely

. >> reporter: after deliberating for about 10 hours, a jury awarded ruby freeman and shay moss $148payable by rudy giuliani. that's more than triple the amount asked for by their lawyer. >> the absurdity of the number merely underscores the absurdity of the entire proceeding where not allowed to offer one single piece of evidence in defense. >> reporter: giuliani repeatedly said he would take the stand but never did, and his attorney presented no case. the former lawyer to president trump accused the mother and daughter election workers of exchanging electronic drives to flip votes in georgia after the 2020 election. an investigation by georgia's secretary of state concluded giuliani's allegations were unsubstantiated, and in august, the judge ruled giuliani liable for defamation. throughout the trial, giuliani continued to spread lies about the women. the women shared the emotional toll after the verdict. >> i can never move back into the house that i called home. i will always have to be careful about where i go and who i choose to share my name with. >> reporter: it's likely they

. >> there's a tape earlier in the day of ruby freeman and shay freeman moss and one other gentleman. they should have been questioned already. their places of work, their homes should have been searched for evidence of ballots, for evidence of usb ports, voter fraud. >> reporter: shaye moss told the january 6th committee her life changed forever the day giuliani publicly spread lies about her. angry election deniers showed up at her home. and ruby freeman was forced into hiding. >> i've lost my name and i've lost my reputation. i've lost my sense of security all because a group of people starting with number 45 and his ally, rudy giuliani, decided to scapegoat me and my daughter, shaye, to push their own lies about how the presidential election was stolen. >> i second guess everything that i do. it's affect my life in a major way, in every way, all because of lies. >> reporter: giuliani claimed moss and freeman plotted to kick ballot watchers out of fulton county. he also pushed the false narrative that they had brought in suitcases filled with fake ballots for biden and scanned them

i've been reading shay moss's testimony.s damage was so extensive, to the extent she went to a chick-fil-a, the person who interviewed her there, turned his laptop and faced it with her, and the word "fraud" across it, what's going on? can you explain this? her life was destroyed by this. the reputational campaign that would have to be mounted to put her back to where she was before december 4th, 2020, would be considerable. that's what professor humphries tried to do here. >> and the damage to the democracy, there's been damage to our institutions. those are themes we come back to over and over again. >> he said when he looked into these things, he had a background, it's somebody if convinces you. it's another if we say we investigated it, and we were the top federal investigators who broke up the mob. he brought all of that to bear against these women. i think you have to consider that and whatever the jury comes with tonight. this is no ordinary guy that made just a reckless statement. this guy should have known how to in

and, rudy giuliani has been ordered to pay more than 100 and $48 million in damages it is shay moss andhe verdict came after four days of renting testimony on how the women's lives were upended. >>> now back to dateline. >>> now back to dateline rn over his dna. >>> after all these years, investigators hoped that gary schara would be forced to turn over his dna. if it turns out that schara really was the killer, he had done a great job of hiding it. >> by all accounts jerry lived in unremarkable life. he kept himself, worked a low profile job, lived in a low profile location. >> aside from the months he was in seattle, schara lived most of his life near agawam. it was a shuttle car driver for rental company, but in the past had also worked in bars and restaurants. >> just a regular guy, just a regular everyday person. >> schara worked in joe stevens restaurant in the late 90s after lisa's murder. joe new schara's father, that's how he first met him. >> his dad was an executive for a local company. he said, i have a son and he's looking for a job. i said send him by, just a great handsom