i hope that shaye moss and reform this or something. i know it's not about the money, but the money is important. >> also for you and your client, dominion voting, the money was not just the issue, is also about symbolically going after somebody that the famed air client. dominion voting also looking at other defendants having active litigation right now to be able to deal with the defamation to their client. do you think that it makes sense for ruby freeman and shaye moss to continue to use the judicial system in the way it's supposed to be used, which is to seek redress, get something to make them whole again after what has happened with rudy giuliani and others? >> yes, of course it's harder for individuals because these cases taken emotional toll, they take their time, and the energy of the person -- dominion has cases pending in washington against sydney powell, against rudy giuliani, they have other cases pending in various forms against oan and newsmax. dominion plans to fight all of these perpetrators of the big it makes sense f

shaye moss testified before the january 6th investigation in congress. mom was right there sitting behind her as she testified about what the threats and harassment had done to her, how they had made her regret even becoming an elections worker in the first place, that job she loved. what happened to ruby freeman and shaye moss has resulted in criminal charges against several people, including rudy giuliani in georgia. because none of what was said about those two women, which resulted in their lives being turned upside down, none of it was true. part of the reason i can say confidently that we know none of it was true is because ruby freeman and shaye moss sued rudy giuliani for defamation, and giuliani admitted in the course of that case that what he said was false. and therefore, a federal judge found rudy giuliani liable, literally liable as in he has to pay for his lies about these two innocent women. and today, in federal court, a damages trial got under way in which jurors will decide how much money rudy giuliani has to pay ruby freeman and shaye

but ruby freeman and shaye moss did testify earlier in the trial. can you remind people what they said? because, again, these were volunteers. >> they were. well, ruby freeman was a volunteer, and shaye moss was a paid georgia election worker who took quite a lot of pride in doing that job. and that's what she told the jury. but they both took the stand over the course of this week as the jury listened to them. and not only did they speak what they did after the 2020 election and how their names have been ruined, how they fear for their lives, how they are afraid to introduce themselves to others, they also when each were on the stand, there were voice mails, chilling voice mails, racist voice mails and text messages read and played for them. and then their lawyers had them react to them. and they described how scared they were, how they went to the police, how they were advised by the fbi to flee their home, and how terrifying it was not just in the days after the 2020 election as rudy giuliani and others were saying these things about them, but in

she's the attorney for ruby freeman and shaye moss. i want to start by getting your reaction to the koconversation we've just had. your clients won. rudy giuliani remains unrepentant as you've heard from his representative. why don't you clarify for the american public, in addition to what i've said, what it is about giuliani that seems to say he did not have an opportunity to defend himself or that the judgment against him was somehow invalid? >> well, first of all, thanks so much for having me, laura. hopefully this conversation can go a little differently than the last one you just had. i think, you know, it seems mr. goodman is confused about what's happened over the past couple years in litigation, so i'd be happy to offer, you know, an explanation to him and anyone else wanting to understand. the way that litigation works, civil litigation works, which of course mr. giuliani, having been an attorney for, you know, half of a century, is well aware of is that the parties to a litigation engage in discovery, where they exchange rele

miss moss, shaye, told me tonight, justice was served. she said you know people shiite finally had a chance to hear me tell my story and miss freeman, ruby, said, and they listened. so setting aside the number for a moment, this was an incredible moment for miss freeman and miss moss. i think actually one of the most moving parts of the trial, being there, was when we played the deposition of the george investigators who actually investigated these claims and did all of the things that giuliani did not do, talk to witnesses, review the evidence. they went through, line by line, and said there is no truth to any of this. and in hearing them say that in a court, miss moss teared up. and then she was beaten beaming because the truth is established. it is out there, finally. as for the number, if you know ruby and shaye you know that they are true heroes. they came into this seeking justice, but not assuming anything because that's not the kind of people that they are. and so i think they are vindicated tonight and proud of the verdict that f

giuliani did defame ruby freeman and shaye moss. what the jury has to decide in the coming days is how much money rudy giuliani should have to pay these two women for that defamation. today in his closing statement freeman and moss' attorney asked the jurors to award the women $24 million each. and that is just in damages for their injuries. their attorney is also asking the jury to award punitive damages of whatever they think is appropriate in order to send a message to rudy giuliani. now, in this trial we have gotten even more detail about the threats freeman and moss faced because of giuliani's conspiracy. we heard a voice mail left on ruby freeman's answering machine threatening to burn her store down. people left messages saying she should be lynched. they described how they fantasized about hearing the sound of her neck snapped. and they found her and they intimidated her in her home. shaye moss was so afraid of trump's riled up supporters that in late 2020 she changed her hairstyle from this to this so that strangers wouldn't

he learned the price to be paid for just a fraction of those lies, namely the ones he told about shaye moss and ruby freeman. two 2020 georgia election workers he defamed again and again, including outside his civil trial earlier this week and again today after the jury awarded moss and freeman $148 million in damages. that includes more than $16 million each for defamation, $20 million each for the emotional distress he caused them by upending their lives, and punitive damages totaling $75 million. >> the flame that giuliani lit with those lies and passed to so many others to keep that flame blazing changed every aspect of our lives. our homes, our family, our work, our sense of safety, our mental health. and we're still working to rebuild. >> for now, i want people to understand this. money will never solve all of my problems. i can never move back into the house that i called home. i will always have to be careful about where i go and who i choose to share my name with. i miss my home. i miss my neighbors. and i miss my name. >> afterwards, vowing to appeal and reaffirming the lies he to

you heard what shaye moss had to say today. tell me, why do you think rudy giuliani is doubling down now? >> i think he is taking a page out of trump's playbook. trump is defiant, he has been trashing the state attorney general, letitia james, after every court session. rudy is doing the same. he is given to access, that is for sure. you know, i wrote a column about him in october 9th, 2019, were i advised him to stay away from trump, tuesday away from freeman and parnas, and instead he returned to the ukraine the next day, he doubles down, as you said earlier. if you told him he made a bad hire, he would give that person a raise and a promotion. if you want him not to do something, you tell him the opposite. >> river psychology would have worked. maybe telling him go ahead and defame them, that would've made him stop? talk to me. here's what i'm asking, though. walk me through that psychology. what is it, what is at the court for him? is it that he is trying to emulate the courthouse conversation to trump, as you say, or is it

ruby freeman and shaye moss' legal team, they're a skilled team. and they're moving fast to collect the money that they can. so giuliani has been very public in the past several months saying he didn't even have money to fight this lawsuit that these two women brought against him and now he has a lot of debts. i mean, it's very substantial. when you look at them all stacked up, $146 million, just under that $150 million is what he's going to owe moss and freeman, attorneys' fees, other lawyers that he knows $1.4 million to. they're suing him for that separately. and then he had all of these unpaid phone bills that went through court. he has a lot of debts. that said, even though he has debts, ruby freeman and shaye moss are going to try and get at least some of the money they can out of him. at least a piece of it. and they are counting what he has. they have already identified, he has a manhattan co-op that he's trying to sell for more than $6 million. it hasn't sold yet. i just looked. but he has a condo in florida. they're going to try to grab t

is now acting like he doesn't understand the law, and lying and claiming that ruby freeman and shaye mossing for joe biden. he was asked, moss and freeman's lawyers say they asked giuliani to enter into an agreement to stop publishing these false claims about them. he refused to do it. is he fakes mental incompetency thinking it will get him out of this judgment, in your view? >> i don't think he's feigning incompetence, and incompetence to stand trial is a hard bar. i have litigated those cases. here's the part where we're talking about the intersection. you know, he is on release in the georgia case. i have his release conditions right here, and joy, number five is that the defendant, giuliani, shall perform no act to intimidate any person known to him to be a codefendant or witness in the case or to otherwise obstruct the administration of justice. what is he doing? after that jury award in d.c., he's intimidating and endangering the living of the witnesses in the georgia case, shaye moss and ruby freeman. they will almost certainly testify in georgia. you know, when harrison floyd, an

joining me now is jon lankford, one of the attorneys representing ruby freeman and shaye moss. he also serves as counsel at the nonprofit legal center protect democracy. john, thank you for joining me tonight. and congratulations to you and your clients for getting some measure of accountability there. i just wonder, since you are intimately involved in the proceedings and all this, whether you can tell us what miss moss and miss freeman's reaction was to the number assigned to the damages by the jury here, nearly hundred and $50 million. >> thank you for having me tonight. i can tell you the reaction to the verdict. miss moss, shea, told me tonight, justice was served. she said you know people shiite finally had a chance to hear me tell my story and miss freeman, ruby, said, and they listened. so setting aside the number for a moment, this was an incredible moment for miss freeman and miss moss. i think actually one of the most moving parts of the trial, being there, was when we played the deposition of the george investigators who actually investigated these claims and did al

he started claiming ruby freeman and shaye moss, he he identified publicly by name, he said they hade election from donald trump in georgia. he said video from the state from arena which was running on a loop on fox news showed them acting like drug dealers, that was the language he used, he said the tape somehow show them stealing votes. after that ruby freeman and her daughter even her teenage grandson were inundated with vulgar and racist harassment and death threats. ruby freeman called 9-1-1 multiple times because people were showing about her door and banging, showing our house and banging on her door leaving threats. one of the people who showed up was part of a team of trump allies to prosecutors, they tried illegally to course ruby freeman into falsely confessing that she had committed election fraud. ruby freeman had to leave her home for weeks for her own safety on the advice of the fbi. she mostyska five publicly in front of the january six investigation in congress, her mom was right there sitting behind her as she testified be well or what the threats and harassment had

one of the attorneys the represented shaye moss and ruby freeman in their defamation case. i know you're happy about this verdict. how are you clients feeling about this truly staggering $148 million verdict against giuliani for defaming them? >> as lady ruby put it, it's a good day. it's one step on a long journey for them toward accountability and toward trying to rebuild their lives. but today was a good day for them. >> what do you make of giuliani sticking by his awful lies and comments about your two clients? >> for me, it really highlights the importance of this kind of accountability. we're quite hopeful that this verdict will make a difference there and we're going to continue to pursue that verdict. >> you know what surprised me, the verdict was, what, about $100 million more than your clients had originally asked for, right? >> the total was $148 million across the three categories of damages. some of which we had put numbers on for the jury and some of which we leave the jury to come up with numbers on their own. i think they were moved by the clients' testimony

ruby freeman and shaye moss sued rudy giuliani for defamation. the course of that case what he said was false, and therefore a federal judge found rudy giuliani liable, literally liable as in he has to pay for his lies about these two innocent women and today in federal court a damages trial got under way in which jurors will decide how much money rudy giuliani has to pay ruby freeman and sheae moss for what he did to them. that comp scission could reach as high as $43 million. additional punitive damages could amount to -- the sky's the limit. one way to look at what happened today as the latest chapter of rudy giuliani's descent, the judge in the defamation case has already rebuked rudy giuliani for failing to show up in court last week. today he showed up to court 20 minutes late and then forgot to rebuckle his belt after he'd taken it off to go through the metal detector, and his unbuckled belt hung there at his waste for a few minutes before the trial got started. hey, howdy, counselor. check your barn door. the other way to look at this tri

another 0 million for shaye moss on emotional distress. $75 millior both on punitive s. that's the $148.169 million. my question is hre you going to collect? at this moment, rudy giuliani owes $500,000 in unpaid taxes. the has a lien on his pm beach property. he's selling his upper east side property, and his consulting firm defaulted on a debt for a phone bill. how are you going to collect? >> sure. we have already put the pieces in motion for that. we are intending to collect every nickel of it. we'll see how much we ultimately find and how much we ultimately recover. but we are putting the pieces together right now. >> if you remember -- >> i'm sorry. some sound played. go ahead. keep going. >> we're putting those pieces in play right now. we were putting them in play prior to the verdict. so we intend to pursue this verdict. >> just to sort of help our audience understand how this works, can these ladies put a lien on his properties? would his tax returns be taken? like, pragmatically, how could you make him pay? >> every enforcement measure at our fingertips will be

i was really struck by one of the things shaye moss to other people. again, these two women were election workers. that was what put them in the crosshairs. here's what she had to say to other people who do that kind of work. >> as we move forward, and continue to seek justice, our greatest wishes that no one, no election worker or voter, or school board member, or anyone else, ever experiences anything like what we went through. you all matter, and you are all important. we hope no one ever has to fight so hard just to get your name back. >> what do you think the impact ends up being for that category of people? obviously, they got the worst of it in the country, i don't think there's even a question. but there were others who were also, and who have been continuously, in this era, harassed, doxxed, and the subjective lies. >> that's exactly right, chris. you may remember that press conference gabriel sterling gave on december 1st, 2020. so, before our clients were even targeted, he stood up and said to president trump, you're going to get somebody ki

will ruby freeman and shaye moss see any of that money? the attorney for the two women is out front. >>> also breaking, israel killing three of its own hostages. they believe they actually managed to escape hamas. >>> we'll talk to the father of an american hostage about whether he thinks his son may also be trying to escape. >>> and arizona calling up the national guard for help at the border. we're showing you the migrant surge that they are seeing there. let's go out front. >>> good evening, i'm erin burnett. the breaking news, $148 million. that is what rudy giuliani has been ordered to pay georgia election workers ruby freeman and shaye moss after conaccusin them of rigging the 2020 election. it's a jaw-dropping number. it is the actual verdict form that breaks down into numbers. ruby freeman awarded $16.1 million for defamation, $20 million for emotional s distress. shaye moss awarded $20 million for emotional distress. and then they were awarded $75 million in punitive damages. when you add that all together, that's where you get th

, ordering him to pay $148 million to the two former georgia elections workers ruby freeman and shaye mosso he falsely accused of wrongdoing. telling the country they passed around usb ports as if they very vials of heroin or cocaine. terry moran with the message the jury is sending tonight about the truth. >>> also, the very sad turn, we have now learned matthew perry's cause of death. the coroner releasing the autopsy tonight and what doctors are saying about what's in that report. matt gutman tonight. >>> the hob rupgs >>> the israeli military now admitting it accidentally killed three of the hostages during fierce fighting in northern gaza. how did this happen? >>> a judge sentencing the mother of the 6-year-old boy accused of shooting and wounding his first grade teacher to far more than even prosecutors had asked for. >>> tonight, the apple sauce scare, the alarming investigation by the fda into several brands of apple sauce pouches tainted with lead, some containing 500 times the healthy limit. investigators now believe the manufacturer intentionally used cheaper ingredients. more t

shaye moss and ruby freeman are we know very strong and very compelling witnesses. i think there's every reason to believe that the jury is going to lean in their direction in a significant, monumental way. >> giuliani's lawyers say he doesn't have deep pockets. how do you read that? >> well, what they're trying to say is, to discourage the jury from awarding a very high amount on the theory that he wouldn't be able to pay it anyway. i suspect that's not going to be so persuasive. there have been other circumstances in other cases that mr. giuliani has been involved with where he's hosted fund-raisers, had third parties pay off some of his debt. he has found ways in other contests to be able to pay. now, if they come back with tens of millions of dollars, then that certainly will be challenging for him to have to pay. but there's a wide range of what in terms of dollar amounts, of what this jury might come back with, both in terms of trying to compensated the plaintiffs for the actual reputational harm that they suffered as well as in terms of punitive damages to pu

giuliani recited as part of a new lawsuit against him from ruby freeman and shaye moss. it seeks to permanently bar mr. giuliani from persisting in his defamatory campaign against ruby freeman and shaye moss. michael gottlieb is one of the attorneys representing them. thanks for your time. >> thanks for having me on, rachel. >> what would this new lawsuit do that the first one didn't? >> so, the first suit was a suit for both damages and some other forms of relief like declaratory relief. this is a suit in which we are seeking a permanent injunction to prevent mr. giuliani from saying the same false statements about our clients that he has been making since december of 2020 and which he had a full opportunity to prove to be true if he chose so. he opted out. he defaulted and so after a finding by a jury awarding him damages we don't believe he should be able to continue telling the same lies out on the street that he has been unable to defend and prove in court. >> the massive damages that your clients obtained was not enough to stop him. how would a permanent injunction

to permanently barr giuliani from persisting in his defamatory campaign against ruby freeman and shaye moss is mr. gottlieb, one of the eternities for freeman and moss. >> thanks for joining us. >> thank you for having me. >> what will this lawsuit do that the first one didn't. >> the first one was a suit for damages and other forms of relief, declaratory refute. this is a suit where we are seeking a permanent injunction to prevent giuliani from saying the same false statements about our clients, that he has been making since december of 2020, and which beautiful opportunity to prove to be true. if he had chosen to do so and discovery in this case. he opted out. he defaulted, after finding by a jury awarding him damages, we don't believe he should be able to continue telling the same lies out on the streets that have been unable to defend and prove in court. >> the massive damages award that your clients obtained against him was apparently not enough to stop him from making these ongoing claims. how would a permanent injunction have more teeth in it, then the huge financial penalty that he

they spoke on behalf of the voiceless people like ruby freeman and shaye moss. the message that has been sent is that powerful folks like rudy giuliani cannot lie like he did in this case. the message the jury sent today is that lies have a price tag. >> he -- you know, that moment when you saw the two of them speaking, they seemed to get a bit emotional, understandably at the end, after they both finished speaking to reporters. how are they doing tonight? >> like ruby said, today is a good day. but there is a lot more work to be done. i don't think they can ever be fully restored to what they were before. of course that's what they would prefer to be, what they used to be, you know, not looking over your shoulder when you go out to the grocery store, being able to give people your name when you meet them. those are small things that they now cannot do. i don't know that they'll ever get back to the point where they have those freedoms that they had before all of this. >> do they expect that they'll see any of this money, given what we've known and reported abou

just listen to this example of threatening voice mails left for ruby freeman and shaye moss. they were actually played in court today. they were emails full of obscene and racist threats. i'm going play some for you. but i'm going warn you, not only are they disturbing, they were directed at people who just community as election workers. >> you're going to jail, ruby. you're going to get locked up, ruby. that's election fraud, ruby. what was on the usb drive, ruby? you're all going to [ bleep ] jail, you piece of [ bleep ] [ bleep ]. >> hey, this is shaye. i hope you like jail, because that's where you're going, on your way to hell. >> and based on what were these taunts relayed? i mean, imagine if you picked up your phone and there was a message like that on it. and frankly, some of the other ones are so riddled with obscenities, so riddled with vicious racial slurs, we have to actually beep out most of them, making it entirely incomprehensible. today we actually heard from shaye moss herself, and she said that her worst fear, and imagine this, after being an election worker

it matters a lot for ruby freeman and shaye moss. they were credited, heard.y got some measure of justice. it doesn't undo the harm, but there's the financial piece -- arguably not clear if that will ever be collected, but separate from that, they were credited. they got justice. everybody watching this from the outside learns from this as well. i hope it restores some faith that the system works, that when people are wronged, there's rye dress in court. big high-profile cases like this, when they're watched by lots of people, have cripple effects. maybe it affects rudy giuliani, and he no longer talks about the stolen election. i doubt that, but it had as impact on ruby freeman and shaye moss, and the people watching. >> though numbers are not guaranteed? they are not. there was a period of time where rudy giuliani and the post-9/11 world was commanding really big sums in hi consulting practice, as a private lawyer. those days are over. one of the reasons most people think rudy giuliani was so desperate to be donald trump's lawyer was in fact because that gra

he's been ordered to pay georgia election workers shaye moss and ruby freeman, more than $148 million in damages. that includes 60 million to benefit him for defamation, 20 million each for emotional distress plus another 75 million in punitive damages. the judge ruled earlier this year that giuliani defamed the two women, basically accusing boss and freeman of election fraud that led to vicious attacks and threats against both women. here's what they had to say after today's verdict. >> i spent ten years as an election worker in fulton county georgia. the lies rudy giuliani told me about me and my mommy after the 2020 presidential election have changed our lives. the past few years have been devastating. my greatest wish is that no one, no election worker or voter or school board member or anyone else ever experiences anything like what we have been through. you all matter, and you are all important. >> i want people to understand this, money will never solve all of my problems. i can never move back into the house that i called home. i will always have to be careful about where i go

how lawyers for georgia election workers shaye moss and ruby freeman are

really gripping and scary stuff from voice mails that were sent and left on the voice mails of shaye moss ruby freeman, the two georgia workers in the days after rudy giuliani said things about them that were lies and racist comments, and things that made them feel as though people would come to their house, and potentially kill them. yesterday, we heard a 911 phone call from ruby freeman because she had called the police in early 2020 saying that people were banging on the door at her house. after that, she had to flee, and she felt homeless, because she could not go to her family or friend's homes, because that testimony had everyone in the courtroom listening intently, and the jurors, and rudy giuliani had little reaction to it, and his lawyer didn't have any questions for her after her time on the stand, and so, sara, there is not much of a defense, and it could go to the jury today, of how much they award these two women, and what he did. >> we cannot say enough of how shaye moss and ruby freeman have been going through hell created by these lies, and now he will not say more because

ruby freeman and shaye moss, they pointed out that giuliani owned property in florida and new york, hisk apartment is on the market right now. they also pointed to his contract with newsmax, for a show, so they have pointed out that rudy giuliani has money, and now the judge is saying, you can immediately, starting today, go after that money and try to collect your verdict. >> and i know that ruby freeman and shaye moss have also filed another lawsuit against rudy giuliani. what are they suing him for in this new suit? >> pretty quickly after we saw the verdict on friday. they didn't stop. they filed another lawsuit, trying to stop rudy giuliani from making any further comments about them. obviously, this was part of a huge defamation case that ruby freeman and shaye moss won, and then because of the comments that rudy giuliani made outside the courtroom during the course of this four- day trial, these women went to court again and filed another lawsuit and asked a court to stop rudy giuliani from saying anything further, even though their original case had concluded. so this is an ongo

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what he said about shaye moss and ruby freeman is a lie and what he said about the trial is a lie. y of opportunity to put on his own evidence. he was not prevented. now, ms. moss and freeman sued rudy giuliani again. they can keep suing him every time he defames them if they want. >> why are they suing him? >> this is where we'll run into a little bit of a legal problem. they're asking the judge to prohibit rudy giuliani from speaking about them. i totally get that. i understand why they want that. the problem is our constitution, the first amendment, is very, very resistant to impose prior restraints. meaning you can say something and then be punished for it. there can be consequences. you can be sued if it's defamatory. if it's criminal, you can be indicted. but what our courts are very, very hesitant to do is prevent somebody, private individual, the media from saying something in advance. that's called a prior restraint. it's a bedrock principle of our system that we are against. we, all of us, our constitution, our first amendment, do not go in for prior restraints except in t

the pitch that ruby freeman and shaye moss' attorney yesterday made to the jury was that he is a veryerful figure. he absolutely should have known better, especially as an attorney with a 50-year career and as someone who had a deliberately chosen to make this campaign to sow disinformation after the election, use their names and even had donald trump using their names in a phone call with the secretary of state in georgia. michael gottlieb the lawyer for these two women said to the jury that rudy giuliani thought they were ordinary and expendable. he didn't see them as human beings. it's dangerous for them to be ruby freeman or shaye moss because of giuliani and his co-conspirators, people like donald trump and the trump campaign. that is what the jury is sitting with now and rudy giuliani on his side had very little of a case to present so now we just wait for a verdict. sara? >> it is a remarkable case and these two women have gone through hell. the question will be in the end can rudy giuliani actually afford to pay them because he's having major problems with his own finances. ka

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how lawyers for georgia election workers shaye moss and ruby freeman are responding. plus, republican presidential candidate and florida governor ron desantis reveals his biggest regret about the 2024 campaign. the key issue he says, quote, sucked the oxygen out of the gop primary race for everyone. >>> all right. good morning. welcome to "way too early" on this friday. thank god it's friday december 22nd. i am sam stein in for jonathan lemire. don't fret all you jonathan lemire fans. he is going to be hosting "morning joe" in a little bit. you have me for the next hour, though. former president trump's legal team is expected to file an appeal in the colorado supreme court decision that removed the ex-president from the 2024 primary ballot immediately after christmas. trump's lawyers are on a tight, tight deadline forhe appeal. they will file before january 4th. the ruling trump is ineligible for office will stand and it his name will not appear on the colorado ballot. the supreme court will then decide if it'll take up the case. meanwhile, the former president is spe

he might get the damages reduced some, but it's a longer shot for ruby freeman and shaye moss to everecover much money out of him. he's basically broke. it wasn't their goal to get the money. it was really about justice. >> terry moran, thank you. >>> we turn to the death of matthew perry, the coroner releasing the autopsy report. >> reporter: tonight, an autopsy revealing the 54-year-old "friends" star died of the acute effects of ketamine after losing consciousness in his hot tub. perry was reporting to be receiving ketamine infusion therapy for exc anxiety. the drug typically clears the system in a few hours. ketamine is a common anesthetic and also legally used for treatment-resistant depression. but it can also be used as a recreational drug with euphoric and psychedelic effects. >> it's very dangerous when you use it in a body of water, in a hot tub or a pool, because you become so sedated. >> reporter: perry fought his way back from decades of ravaging addiction. >> 55 a day. >> reporter: perry detailing that struggle in his memoir with the hope of helping others with their own

rudolph giuliani zone lawyer has already said in court yesterday that ruby freeman and shaye moss areote, good people. that's his phrase. federal judge beryl howell questioned giuliani's lawyer today about how giuliani could have stood outside the courthouse last night and committed exactly the same offense against ruby freeman and shaye moss that has him facing a damages judgment now. the new york times reports, mr. sibley the lawyer also suggested that the long days in the court room could be taking a toll on mr. giuliani, 79. judge how asked mr. sibley if he was concerned about his clients age or mental capacity issues. mr. sibley said he had not seen evidence of that yet. we'd off to the enemy is facing criminal charges in georgia for his attacks on these same women. at the age of 79, a remainder of rudolph giuliani's life will be in the hands of tours jurors in washington d. c. and georgia, who could decide that the final chapter of his life will be spent bankrupt and in prison. andrew weissmann, barbara mcquade are back with us. andrew, needless to say none of us have ever seen

many messages called ruby freeman and shaye moss traitors. other said they should be hung from trees, close enough to the capitol to hear their necks snapped. it just -- the only argument that we're hearing from the other side, glenn, is that it will ruin giuliani financially if he gets a big fine. again, so what? these women were subjected to death threats. >> not only so what, but so be it, he should be financially ruined because i was taken aback, even knowing who rudy giuliani is and whou he's behaved, on the courthouse steps at the end of the session yesterday, he defamed then again. he said no, it's true, they were involved in changing votes. this is somebody who is on trial for robbery committing a robbery on his way into his trial. i mean, it is insane, and his lawyer may have said, he's 80 and i can't control everything he does, but you know what, rudy giuliani can control what he does. he chooses not to. he doubles down on his racism and his defamation. and putting these women's lives in jeopardy. and i would just press play on that

extensive, and so he could be forced to sell that property and pay up everybody he owes including shaye mossruby freeman. again, in this trial the judge has already decided that he's liable. the question is just how much. and so unfortunately, moss and freeman will have to get in a long line with giuliani's other creditors including some of his lawyers. but at some point, hopefully they will receive the money that the judge has already ruled their entitled to that they deserve for the extreme pain that giuliani caused. to show you how pitiful his defense is, ana, his lawyers have the nerve to argue that because president biden awarded moss and freeman the national medal of honor based on what they've been through, giuliani's lawyers argued that what that -- what their client did actually enhanced moss and freeman and their reputation because they got that medal. that's a pathetic argument, and i think the jurors in the district of columbia are likely to let giuliani know how pathetic that argument is with the damages that they returned. >> paul butler and ryan reilly, thank you, gentlemen, r

his comfort, and his goals are more important than those of ruby freeman and shaye moss. this is a fiction and it ends today. this is also someone who made money off 9/11. let me play one of the voice mails left for ruby freeman. this was played in the trial. >> you're going to jail, ruby. you're going to get locked up, ruby. that's election fraud, ruby. what was on the usb drive, ruby? you are all going to [ bleep ] jail, you piece of [ bleep ]. >> rev, if you actually know what rudy was like, it seems like this is kind of the fitting end. he played in racism. racism was his stock and trade as mayor, and this is how he ends, just one of his many cases. >> and when you look at the fact that his being mayor, he was the one that champions broken windows, stop and frisk, where he did not feel that parts of the city mattered like other parts of the city, that we had no rights that anyone had to respect. he would meet with black leaders when we had a shooting of a young man who took his key out in the vestibule of his house and the police shot him 41 times hitting him 19 times

a social media expert testified about the amount of damages ruby freeman and shaye moss should receiveysis, it could cost $47.8 million to repair their reputations, based on the millions of impressions that giuliani's false statements garnered on social media, in news web sites and on tv. heanalysis follows emotional testimony yesterday from shaye moss whoescred the many threats she received after being falsel accused of treas. quote, they kept telling me it was punishable by death and they could hang me and they coul hang my mom. i was afraid for my life. the threats also took toll on her family. her then 14-year-old son who received racist texts and phone calls on a cell phone that used to belong to his mom failed all his final exams that semester. let's bring in ken dilanian, danny cevallos is with me, a criminal defense attorney, and msnbc legal analyst. what's the latest from the courthouse? >> that expert is being cross examined by rudy giuliani's lawyer. she had some powerful testimony about the extent to which these lies about these two women rocketed around the internet. for e

remember giuliani's baseless claims that former georgia election workers ruby freeman and her daughter shaye mossed fraud in the 2020 election. >> earlier in the day, ruby freeman and shaye freeman moss and one other gentlemen quite obviously surreptitiously passing around usb ports as if they are vials of heroin or cocaine. it's obvious to anyone who is a criminal investigator or prosecutor they are investigating and surreptitious illegal activity. >> incorrect. during the january 6th hearings, they told the committee but they were just exchanging a ginger mint. they also testified about how they were harassed and friends in the wake of giuliani and trump's lies and's here's what giuliani said late today, again repeating those lies. >> whatever happened to them, it's unfortunate if other people overreacted, but everything i said about them is true. >> do you regret what you did? >> of course i don't regret it i told the truth! >> and of course what giuliani said right there was not the truth. the judges already found giuliani liable and a jury of eight will determine what he must pay. ruby freem

yes, it will stall the recovery that ruby freeman and shaye moss get. justice will still be theirs, and in the meantime, his humiliation is there for all the public to see as americas mayor becomes america's most recent debtor. >> wow, i mean the fall from grace is been spectacular, it's apparently not over yet. lisa reuben, thank you for staying late tonight. >> thank you having me. >> great to see. when we come back, we finally know, finally, at long last, we finally know who all those election fraud task forces have been focused on. the answer is next. the answer is next developed with vets. made from real meat and veggies. portioned for your dog. and delivered right to your door. it's smarter, healthier pet food. (singing )i'll be home for christmas. you can plan on me. please have snow and mistletoe. and presents on the tree. right now all over the country kids at shriners hospitals for children are able to go home and be with their families for the holidays. and that's only possible because of the monthly donations from people like you. thanks to