she was my friend and i loved her. she loved me, too. it was a privilege working for her and knowing her and her family. they have certainly followed in her footsteps and they are terrific. it has been an honor. guest: at mrs. johnson's funeral, all the staff no matter how old they were and how far away they were came, including some secret service men who had retired long before but who loved her so much that they made the huge effort to get there. host: is there anything in the diary that would shock us today? guest: she would not put it in. host: let's go to marvin, watching us on the air. caller: i was at the texas delegation at the democratic convention. jfk said, you were such a great senate majority leader you should stay there. did lady bird johnson want lbj to accept the nomination and would have lbj have been as successful in his various jobs without the support of lady bird johnson? host: we can start with the second one first. guest: she would say that. an enormous part of his success. guest: she and others did not want him to

she was watching what was happening. i suspect the president realized to restart -- he needed to give for something where she felt she was doing something good. she cared what was happening in peru. it was an interesting choice. the united states was not close to peru. they had a revolutionary government that had criticized the united states. to send pat to all places and involved political -- it proved to be wonderful for her and very good. she ended up getting an award from the government of peru. the peruvian government had not had much good to say about the united states but thanked the united states for pat. >> she's the first first lady to travel into a combat zone. she insisted to visiting soldiers in a hospital. she was not somebody who wanted a general to government update. she wanted to go and talk to the soldiers. it did not matter it was a combat zone. she had to talk to the boys and themselves and calm them down. both of her son-in-laws had been in the military. she felt close to the young men. >> she went to

she was so isolated there. were in georgetown when they first rented a home and were first married, she could go back and forth to capitol hill and take him lunch. she was so completely isolated there they left. >> a facebook viewer wants to know if there were any known medical condition for all of her problem pregnancies. >> smoking could have been. she was a chain smoker. several packs a day. if that didn't lead to the actual pregnancies themselves, the lung conditions that john jr. and patrick who succumbed to it. and possibly the presidents, some of his medical conditions, perhaps even stds could have led to the problems with pregnancy. >> did jackie share john's drive to be president or was she comfortable as a senator's wife? >> she was comfortable as a senator's wife and was threatened by the notion of being first lady. i talked to fdr jr., a friend to both of them. he said that jackie essentially panicked after jack won the presidency in 1960. she didn't expect it. she was terrified by the adverse effec

i know she was affected by it. i know that it hurt her very much to hear people saying those things. i was pregnant and then i had a baby. my husband was in vietnam. nobody wanted the war to be over more than i did. more than daddy did. he was trying to find a way. we thought we had it in the cease-fire talks. but then for reasons that you know, they got in touch with the south vietnamese and said you will get a better deal under nixon. it was very hard to hear people shouting outside our window and saying, "hey, hey, how many did you kill today?" it was hard on daddy and it was hard on mother. she did everything she could to give daddy some piece and solace and to be there by his side. she was very supportive of his march 31 speech. we hoped that when people could focus not on daddy, they could then be willing to come to the peace table. sometimes these things get so focused on individuals, for instance, you look at the release of the prisoners that the iranians held on until reagan took his hand off the bible. the

she was wealthy, a debutante. er warned her off of military life. -- mamie's parents really like ike. they thought he was a wonderful young man. her father even told her that when he was coming around to visit, she should stop being so flighty and going off with other young men to party. she should pay attention to ike. when they got married, he told mamie that they could not expect any money from him. they would have to live on i's military pay. not cared she did about that, she just wanted batman. -- that man. >> she went to a tiny military apartment. she was living a comfortable life of plenty of money. her.s quite a shock for she had learned from her father about budgeting and how to spend money and the money. it was difficult in the early days of their marriage, but she always manage to live on ike's salary. reversal,ical role mamie handled the family finances. she said that was the secret to a good marriage. with the finances, the husband should turn the check over to his wife. if he started purchasing things

she put her foot down. it was not that she did not want to be involved with her life or her decisions. >> she did what she had to do. she went to the receptions for the military and the parties. -- che collins, sheet olumns she just wasn't going to do that. maybe she was more of a feminist than all of us. >> she was not going to do it use told. >> she began to feel that the president began to dissolve the political partnership which had been at the heart of their relationship with her husband for so many years. >> in the senate, he had time to come home in the evening and discuss things with bess. but when he became president, your decisions multiply rapidly. it was not that he did not want to consult her. he did not have time to consult her on every little thing. harry truman had a lot of momentous things to discuss and decisions to make. here are a few highlights. this includes the end of world war ii in europe. it also includes the end of world war ii and japan. the cia was established. israel was officially re

i mean she was beautiful. she was very elegant. d she actually was pretty astute. >> jon: as a political -- >> as a politician. >> jon: they say, you know, she's really the reason that kennedy kind of backed the coup, yeah? >> yeah. kennedy had a lot of trouble with madam because he always said that the men in her family looked like they were being lead around by her apron strings. and so he just really didn't want to look like america was doing the same. so meanwhile his own wife jackie was perfect image of a first lady. she was refined. she was quiet, for the most part. and madam was everything-- according to jackie, she was everything that jack found unattractive. >> jon: right. well-- a lady with a gun. for jack kennedy that's a problem. but in many respects, you know, that decision is what sort of lead to the communists coming into vietnam which then lead to i guess you could say ultimately the movie "forrest gump" beating "pulp fiction" at the oscars which i think we all agree was the real tragedy of this entire debacle. was s

she was texting friends that she was going to commit suicide, she might as well commit suicide. >> i think i should have known the police would get involved but i didn't think about it until, you know, i got called in or 4 police officers standing there, like, bringing me into a conference room, interrogating me about it. i was just, it was one of the scariest things i've ever had to do. that's when it hit me, oh, my god, we're in trouble. >> later we heard from a police officer little pieces of information that this was -- actually happened and he had interviewed several kids at

she handled finances. he wasshe took a domestic science engaged.n they became her domestic science classes were cut short. i'm not sure she was that serious anyway. he really did the cooking. >> i want to invite you to be in our program. we have three ways you can be nvolved. if you live out west, mountain pacific and further west, 202- 585 -- facebookn post on our age where there are comments going on. how soon are they married is -- born?st child or an >> i think it is three years. he gets an unusual nickname. when i see it spelled i want to pronounce it ikey because it sounds better than icky. he was the apple of their i and everyone on the coast. he was like the little mascot everyone took to. he died at the age of three of and it happened so quickly. couples could almost expect to have one child die of a because thesease, medical care there were not as you could do about it. they were devastated. andany of the president's first ladies lost a child. theme. a recurring story -- a over her horror story. before

she was riding high. member, they lost their baby patrick in august of 1963, so people felt particularly kindly toward her. >> there is also an irony. when john kennedy was planning his campaign in 1960, he once made an offhand remark, we will have to run jackie through subliminally. he meant that jackie had been but shen an elite way, might not be too politically helpful. and there was no one who was more astounded and delighted that she had turned out this -- into this vast political asset. when jfk was planning the trip to texas, john conley and the others in texas said, you have to bring mrs. kennedy. she is so popular and you will have much bigger crowds. as indeed he did. >> john kennedy was much more wealthy than she. so why would the public not react to his wealth in the way he was concerned with her? >> he felt there are many -- as many political leaders that come from affluence to, he gave the impression that he was a guy from the navy. in 1957 she bought him a jag wire as a birthday gift. he had

and she was right. i mean, we were there another decade. >> which is, of course, the irony is that she's vilified a lot of ways in the media, and yet she was right in a lot of ways about the future and america's relationship with vietnam. >> yes. and she said things that were hard to say at the time. she accused the buddhists of being very loosely organized and, therefore, ripe for communist infiltration which the americans would find out later, at least in '66 and '68, that that would come to be the case. she just called it early and kind of inappropriately. she also accused the american press of being infiltrated by the communists. actually, i'll use her favorite word, intoxicated. >> yeah. >> everybody was intoxicated by the communists. and in that case, too, she actually wasn't so wrong. there were informers working for the americans that were, you know, part of the communist system. >> yeah. very famous one who actually worked with stanley -- [inaudible] >> yes. >> i was thinking of her this morning

because she was so indoctrinated and was taught to hate the jews and also said she wanted to prove herself to the men. many women when they went to east confronted new situations the with their with a certain idealism and ambition and hopes and dreams many did not go voluntarily but they did share a national list outlook why they had to defend their rights even lenders who had the most moral sensibilities and the most conflicted about the violence when i still interview her in 2010 it was clear she did not question she had to be there to defend her homeland even after she heard about some of the worst perpetrators she followed her orders went even deeper farther east into the war zone and she did not question because of her sense of duty prevailed over a sense of morality and men were no different from women in this regard so you can see the scale in the numbers of women solfeggio graphically with the eastern territory the stretch through poland the baltics up to the north, the the ukraine and where the women are stationed of course, where most of the violence in the mass

him when she was a teenager. she in some ways was pushing the envelope as they say but in other she was certainly not a suffragette or a feminist by any stretch of imagination. >> host: before we talk about the role she played in forming that incredible family that may go to something you said about wellesley. what do you think was important about her father not letting. there? >> guest: the story was she had her heart set on going to wellesley. she was an a student coming from high school. she went to the dorchester high school. there was definitely intellect. she was a very bright woman and she herself strove for perfection in all things so she looked trying to be the perfect student and usually lived up to her own high standards. she thought she was ready to go wellesley and probably was. the story is that the archbishop of austin encountered her father the mayor austin and said this wouldn't be a very good idea politically for you, the catholic mayor, the average catholic mayor of boston to send your eldest ch

she was quite prominent, but she was never known for doing political stuff. never done anything political before in the sense of singing songs with explicitly political lyrics. i mean, my feeling, if you ever heard billie holiday is that she was such a cocky and effervescent and kind of confident woman that for a black woman in that era to be singing in the way that she was was in and of itself a political statement, and in that sense, she was quite a political performer. but she'd never done anything whose lyrics were explicitly political before. you know, you mentioned that the song was performed up to three times an evening, and yet, it would not seem to be a crowd pleaser. i mean, what kind of experience was that with the audience? well, i think that you have to consider what the crowd was. the crowd was left-wing intellectuals. the crowd consisted of, you know, greenwich village types and upper-west side intellectuals and college students from harvard and yale, you know, and haverford who came in for the weekend, hopped on the train and came to new york t

she was very warm. she was unflappable. she had a hearty and such a good role model and when you worked for mrs. johnson and for the president, too, i didn't know the president but you became part of the family. so she was my friend and i loved her but she loved me, too. so it was a privilege working for her and knowing her and her family. they have certainly followed in her footsteps and they are all just terrific people. and, anyway, it's been an honor. >> thanks very much for your call and adding your personal reflections to the program. >> you know, at mrs. johnson's funeral, all of the staff, no matter how old they were or how far away they were came, including some secret servicemen who had really retired long before but who loved her so much that they made the huge effort to get there. >> well, with all of those kind words, regina is asking on twitter, is there anything in her white house diary that would shock us, even today? >> she wouldn't have put it in there, i'm sorry to say. >> she was careful on what she repor

she was doing something she didn't particularly like or doing some work that was warring she would just start humming or whistling and take herself to a place where the birds sang in the flowers bloomed. it was a wonderful to dance. .. >> she inherited money and land from relatives and bought a radio station in 1943. i think it generated quite a bit. and then she was very active in seeing that it was turned around from a money-losing operation into a moneymaking operation and she went down and lived in austin for six months or so and mopped floors and clean the windows. i couldn't get over this when i read it in her oral history. she takes over a radio station, and she did. she went in, she changed the building, she got the station up and running and it became this highly successful station that she was running. and johnson basically said to her, go and run the station, and off she went to do it. >> she drove the distance. >> it was no fun between washington. there were no interstate highways to camille, no air-conditioning in the cards, and it took a long time. those trips were a lot.

and she was right. we were there another decade. >> where is the irony which is she is vilified in a lot of ways in the media, and yet she was right about the future and america's relationship with vietnam. >> yes. and she said things that were hard to say at the time. she accused the buddhists, who were rise can against the diem regime, of being loosely organized and ripe for communist infiltration, which the americans would find out later, at least in '66 and '68 that would come to be the case. the just called it early and inappropriately. she also accused the american press of being infiltrated by the communists. actually i'll use her favorite word. intoxicated. everybody was intoxicated by the communists. and in that case, too, she actually wasn't so wrong. there were informers working for the americans that were part of the communist system. >> very famous one, who actually -- stanley tarnow. >> yes. >> i was thinking of her this morning, and then saw lady gaga video, and i thought, in a strange way

she was so isolated there. they were in georgetown when they first rented a home and were first married, she could go back and forth to capitol hill and take him lunch. she was so completely isolated there they left. >> a facebook viewer wants to know if there were any known medical condition for all of her problem pregnancies. >> smoking could have been. she was a chain smoker. several packs a day. if that didn't lead to the actual pregnancies themselves, the lung conditions that john jr. and patrick who succumbed to it. and possibly the presidents, some of his medical conditions, perhaps even stds could have led to the problems with pregnancy. >> did jackie share john's drive to be president or was she comfortable as a senator's wife? >> she was comfortable as a senator's wife and was threatened by the notion of being first lady. i talked to fdr jr., a friend to both of them. he said that jackie essentially panicked after jack won the presidency in 1960. she didn't expect it. she was terrified by the adverse e

she knew it was going to get a reaction, that's part of why she did it. ing about her. >> and miley was quick to point that out, tweeting my vma performance has 306,000 tweets per minute, more than the blackout or super bowl. and she said exactly what she thought in her mtv documentary "the movement." >> it is a strategic hot mess. right now i am at a point in my career where i can be exactly who i want to be, just go for what you want to do. >> the controversy only fueled her confidence. in her next video, miley was sometimes naked while riding a wrecking ball and licking a sledgehammer. and this time she wanted to show something different. her vulnerability. ♪ >> two-thirds of the way through the song when the bridge hits and you really, you know, you see her shed a tear. >> a tear over a tortured romance, rumored to be out her fiance, liam hemsworth. >> i think she wants to show the more sensitive side and not just the party girl side, too. >> soon after its release, "wrecking ball" became the number one song in the country. miley and liam announced the

that message was a recording from patty hurst. she had dramatically undergone a change. patty hurst was now tonya the newest member of the sla and she was angry. >> i realized that the only alternative to freedom is death and that the only way we can free ourselves of this dictatorship is by fighting not with words but with guns. >> reporter: the easiest thing for them to do was to have her join. i'm sure they talked to her about the sla rhetoric. about you know what a fashist her dad was and all of those things they talked about. >> reporter: the latest photo of patty appears. it is a leather wielding tanya. >> we did some background study on that and it came from che guevara or one of those guys in south america. i don't think it had any effect on the final outcome. it got a lot of coverage. and it portrayed patty as one of the terrorists and that's what the sla was. >> reporter: what happened next made the tanya tape peal by comparison. patricia hurst is caught by a bank camera taking part in a bank hold up with several members of the sla. >>> an fbi agent at the heart

>> she hated it. it wasne of the most painful experiences of her life, and experience she would -- that in some way to find the way the two of them related to politics. person a very private who did not want anyone to know about her private life. you have her husband telling all of their finances, what money they owe, that she did not have a further code. for her, this was a horrible experience, whereas, for her husband, he celebrated that every year. >> let me get into some video. here is former president nixon talking about his life in an interview in 1983. >> she is probably one of the most intelligent women ever to be first lady. clinical discussions, she does not say much, but she can always go to the heart of a matter. she has got an enormously good intuition. the average person thinks of her as somebody who went along for the ride and so forth. i am sure some of them did not believe it. of ae had been the life liberal, my god, they would have canonized her. wife, they was my had to find ways to knock

she was brought before a special court and given the death sentence, killed. judge at the end of the war said she should have known better. she came from an educated households she should have known better. so these stories of women who did defy the system from the they're also very hard to keep together. but they are there. you know, i think that is something that also has to be researched. i don't think they're as numerous as the picture regis portrayed today, but it is important also to document them. the young woman, the technician, the reason why know about her is because she was actually higher in those photographs and hiding other things. a smart hiding place. and she was identified by the community for her civil courage. and so she was also a young german woman who for various reasons tried to do something in individual way, but most of these women, at the end she said, what could have done? what could i have done? me and this entire system. what could i have done. >> it so hard to document and interpret what might be signs of feelings of shame or more

she says at one point, i was very struck by this. she says that she wasn't really a person to feeling too much fear. and yet, she encountered so many situations and many of them were full of risks and dangers and aggressive hostile people. i'm wondering if you can talk a little bit about your mother's who she was organically and how that related to the role she played as an activist. >> my mother came from -- >> a leader. a place called hoffman, oklahoma. she would always say that she was top in her class. she was in the top five of the class. but there was only five students in her class. she did not have the same textbooks in hoffman as they had in other schools. they had the leftover books. and she would tell me when they were start reading the story and get to page 9, the page would start again at page 21. for years and years i would ask myself, where did my mom get that toughness. >> i've seen her in the adversities she's been through. then i started thinking -- really thinking. i thought about her father, i thought about her mot

i spoke to a woman in brother it was when my witnesses and heard job, she was young woman, she was a hoto technician. she's sitting in munich developing photos of these atrocities on the eastern front. >> so that's basically the myth was it was somehow separate? >> no. >> the myth also was that the ordinary german didn't know -- [inaudible] >> we know from diaries like the diary of the dresden -- were starting to find entries and batteries even in the fall of 41 he mentions bobby. so the information is circulating. unlike the allied army, for instance, the germany army. they can't really, the communications are cut off in that regard. people are actually moving back and forth. so yeah, the knowledge was definitely circulating. >> i listened to your book yesterday. i wanted to say first of all, after all this happened -- [inaudible] after listening to the book there are so many women that were involved. after you met some of these people, did anybody ever get prosecuted for what they did? did you ever find somebody who, because of what they did, reported them or something and they got

she was a tremendous hit. nterviews and turned out to be quite an asset. >> we were at the eisenhower presidential library in kansas. it is in the hometown of eisenhower. you can see pictures of it on the screen right now. they showed us campaign memorabilia that they have in the collection that is related to mamie eisenhower. >> the campaign is significant because women outnumbered men in the electorate. the campaign catered to this new demographic with fashion accessories, including the official campaign hats. it was designed by one of mamie's favorite hat designers. all kinds of rhinestones and jewelries. including earrings and i like ike buttons. notice that mamie's name comes first in the mamie charm bracelet. "we want mamie" and "i like mamie" buttons. no lady is complete without a corsage. all these accessories would be worn with this dress, often worn at campaign rallies and conventions. let's go to a museum to see more campaign memorabilia. we have a number of drawers filled with campaign memorabilia,

dared to stand up against this jerk that she was married toshe is a woman who is living a life of indescribable hades. but she does not turn back the she doesn't back down. because she doesn't perceive those who shun her as legitimate. then we were standing. they don't allow her to speak up. they haven't treated or fairly. the law that governs her and tells her what she should and shouldn't do is arbitrary. it's not trustworthy. she is supposed to stay at home and her husband is was to run around town with french prostitute. but now, at that moment, she is in a position of indescribable hell and she undergoes the moment that all radicals undergo and she is angry. one thing that i try to figure out in my book, "david and goliath: underdogs, misfits, and the art of battling giants", it is why people in positions of power don't understand the significance of anger. and when we understand and what kind of powerful emotion it is for people who appear to be on the outside and have no resources to hold it in their hearts. i went and spent a good port

she was a very lonely child, although she said she was not. were -- she had two older brothers but they were sent away to boarding school. they were a good bit older. they were sent away from boarding school or -- school. said,dest brother, she she really never knew him when he died in 1959 of pancreatic cried, she said she harder than she ever had in her life. it was a lonely childhood. even her name, lady bird, the typical story is that it came from a nurse, but she says him it was two little african- american playmates. the children of -- who decided to call her that because they did not like claudia. it was not considered somehow acceptable to say she had african-american playmates, so the nurse was brought in and it was attributed to the nurse. >> and, and and. aunt. -- to get out of that part of texas. >> a lot of women could write. they learn to write. that was something they thought they could do. my mother wanted to be a journalist. they both ended up as politicians. >> the interesting thing about her approach, she was from a wealthy f

she was no longer the heir to the job. but she said, i realized, i had a pulpit and i could use it and i could use it to do good. and she determined that she was going to do that. and they have taken those words and followed them very consciously quoting her. >> roslyn carter also has made a point. >> and remember she continued that work after the beautify occasion if you want to use that terrible term that she hated also. but she continued it after she left the white house, i think until 1990 which is whatever it is, 22 years after leaving the white house, she continued to give that highway beautify occasion award out of her own pocket to highway workers in texas who had done most to beautify the highways of texas. so i'm always interested in which first ladies continued their projects afterwards and which one forgets they ever did that. >> here are some of the key accomplishments and challenges of it was jobs in the administration, including the passage of the education bill of the establishment of the public broadcasting

you can see that she knew exactly what she was doing. the role would be a stepping stone to other things. merchandise. tv. music. she was really the first start to engrace all of these things. ♪ >> reporter: in 2007, she relieved hannah montana 2 to miley cyrus and tv souped track and under her name. her breakout hit went platinum. ♪ >> reporter: in 2008, a hit that miley was feeling the pressure of being one of the biggest teen stars on the planet. >> it's kind of like a mother, you know? trying to let their young go and let them grow up and i think they are having a hard time with that. >> reporter: miley's next conquest, a film career. she landed a part in "high school music 2." and then the voice of "bolt". >> bolt is lost. he could be anywhere by now! >> reporter: and in 2009, miley brought her tv character to life on the big screen in hannah montana, the movie. >> like he says, it's all will the publicity. >> 31 million in its opening weekend it cemented her more than a singer, more than an actress. she was an all-around performer.

she was very good. she was not a lesbian. eleanor was married. had responsibilities of all of her children. and she was becoming first lady. she had all these lives. eleanor roosevelt had other responsibilities. >> eleanor wasn't really taking care of the kids then. eleanor very much has her own life. eleanor and hick vacation together. eleanor and hickok traveled together. they talked three and four times together on the phone. they write voluminously. a lot of those letters were burned. we do not know. what we do know is hick is in the white house and she is a person that is respected by fdr. respected by hopkins, respected and trusted by eleanor. hick's idea that eleanor should have women on the press conferences, because women will lose their jobs. hickok suggested to hopkins some of the components for what would be wpa. so she is a force. >> franklin got elected. you mentioned that lorena hickok moved into the white house at one point. we have a map of the second floor of the white house. if you can walk us through. eleanor roosevelt and you

she is continued based upon the rehearing and she was able to provide the documentation and she was in compliance of the code which was to go into operation, for at least some duration. we don't believe that there is a manifest in justice or additional information that is provided from the hearing request, and that it would be in the accepting ai rehearing request, and the same questions that you may have. >> can you remind me of the time period that we are trying to establish the operation. >> and it will provide a stop in november of 2012, i believe and it was during that period that she could have been in operation up to november of 2012 and she was not able to provide any documentation. >> okay. >> any more questions? >> no. >> i believe that i might have misheard the statements tonight and we saw some documentation on the overhead, have you seen any of those documentation about the rental of the equipment on the dates within that time period. and that was never provided by miss lewis, until this package arrived. >> tonight. >> yes. >> okay. >> and until the written submission is w

she was a lover, she was a wife, and she was a mother. she was born in gran berry, texas, to a family of enormous wealth. and at 17 she ran away first marrying a traveling salesman, he was a cereal salesman -- ceil car being a new invention at the time -- and then running away to san francisco to become a nude artist model. after she did that a bit to no great satisfaction, she made her way to greenwich village where she rented a studio and had great fantasies of her life as a new woman and discovered that in three months she was bored to tiers. didn't -- tears. so she one day said, no, i know what i'm going to do. she had already published three poems in the messenger. she was part of that move on the part of black papers to give space and voice to white writers on race. so she decided to go up to the messenger offices where she walked in, met george skyler. they fell head over heels in love. they went dancing, and that was pretty much it from then on. after much tumultuous back and forth, she did marry george skyler, they had their daug

she was upside down. hmm. so she was inverted during transit. ositional asphyxia was likely the cause of death. gravity causes the organs to impede the diaphragmatic movement. no movement of the diaphragm, no breathing, suffocation. there aren't any wounds evident on her. it doesn't appear she was forced into the box. that's bizarre. well, yes and no. this woman was a claustrophiliac. which means that she liked to get off by getting into tight spaces. the babe in the box is named melody davis. the package was shipped from her residence across town 36 hours ago. i also lifted some prints from the label. match to zack fisk. so fisk sealed his playmate up at her house, mailed her to his house to have a thrill? there's a catch. melody is married to a guy named roy davis. brass is breaking the news and bringing him in. your wife's death was accidental. she got into that box voluntarily-- it's part of her... claustrophilia pursuits that she indulged in with her friend zack fisk. but i suspect you knew all about this, right? yes, sir, i did. i allowed i

so it's not a situation where we felt in any way that she was guilty or she was going to lose the case. it was really more of us exercising our professional responsibility. behind the defense table there's a door where she comes in and out of and right behind that door is a small little holding cell and we're all tightly squeezed in this room and we start talking to her and we say, listen, we have been offered a plea to count three and casey was, no, stop right there. i'm not interested. i said, casey, you have to hear me out. i have to tell you what the offer is and you must consider it. we then told her what the offer was. she said, okay, i've considered it. the answer is no. and she said, listen, i'm innocent. i'm not going to plead guilty to something i didn't do and that is the end of it. to this day, when i think back about that i certainly know that i don't think i would have had the courage that she displayed. after casey refused to even consider it, that is when we went sidebar with the judge and cheney mason had suggested that perhaps she was incompetent to proceed, not neces

and she was right. were there another decade. >> where is the irony which is she is vilified in a lot of ways in the media, and yet she was right about the future and america's relationship with vietnam. >> yes. and she said things that were hard to say at the time. she accused the buddhists, who were rise can against the diem regime, of being loosely organized and ripe for communist infiltration, which the americans would find out later, at least in '66 and '68 that would come to be the case. the just called it early and inappropriately. she also accused the american press of being infiltrated by the communists. actually i'll use her favorite word. intoxicated. everybody was intoxicated by the communists. and in that case, too, she actually wasn't so wrong. there were informers working for the americans that were part of the communist system. >> very famous one, who actually -- stanley tarnow. >> yes. >> i was thinking of her this morning, and then saw lady gaga video, and i thought, in a strange way, s

she was more of a parent to me than you. she was more there for me than you. ever had a problem with her. i always said thank you. >> the recipe she had the recipe. >> i said i did not feel like talking. i did not feel like talking that was not me being funny or saying i did not like katrina. i did not feel like talking at that particular moment. >> kirk: damien let me say one thing i'm sitting here she is desperate for a relationship with you or at least some truth. >> no, she is not. no, she is not. >> kirk: tell me what you think is it about a recipe? >> it is a lot of stuff. it is a lot of stuff. what i'm saying i that y'all see these tears. >> kir that was not a recipe for parenthood for sure. >> listen, that is right. no, that is right. but like i'm saying she want to cry and all that -- >> kirk: you think the tears are fake? >> listen she want to make me look like a bad dud i don't care about all that. if she truly sincerely wanted to do this she would have done this. >> i did it off of tv now i have to do it on tv. >> did she try? >> did she know you we

there was a harding blue collar she wore. it was a color that she wore and people called it harding blue. i think the photo op was her thing. >> now we think about presidents and first ladies with dogs. the last several presidents have done videos. it was the hardings that made a celebrity out of him. even though the roosevelts had many animals in the white house. >> they had quite the zoo. i am thinking about a picture with florence. even before that, she is the first first lady to go to a convention and campaign for her husband, and to be accessible to the press. as an not just there ornament. she is very effective. she is doing all the things a man would do. i do not think we talked about how her father had wanted a boy. we skipped over that. >> that is a good point. >> he said, i will just raise her as a boy, do all the business things men do. she learned how to run the hardware store. make loans at the bank. do everything a male business person could do. that is what gave her the strength to run the marion star. how small

but she was glamorous for me, sparkles -- no, freckles. sorry, i cannot say. [laughter] but she has beautiful red hair, light afro type but red hair. to me, i was like, oh, my god, she is so beautiful. for me, if i want to be friends with someone that i admire, i have to be like him or her, cannot have the red hair. so i say, i also come from nigeria and i am like you. [laughter] i do not think she believed me so i was inventing names. anyway. so she influenced me. she had white skin. you could see her veins. she was very strange but beautiful for me. i was always attracted by different beauty that i saw everywhere. i remember some movies called guess who's coming to have dinner tonight with sydney party. i remember i said to my parents -- i was 12. if i come with a black girl, what will you say? and they say, if you love her, that is perfect for you. years after when it told them what i could say about the fact was going with a guy, they said if you love each other, that is wonderful. so i think i was lucky to have parents like that. very modern. very open-min

is ok she was in her womb just to get she get a clue just. because she. doesn't see is that it is else so emotional that i couldn't even really grasp to have questions or even answer them i was trying to but i was lying at first so they knew this so they were trying to get it out of me and i was. the sole motional that. even their questions were like spanish to me. just saying goodbye to it is this going to do it. yes. thank you very. very. steering. see this is simply. the fact that she's tired probably made it easier for us because it was it's hard to keep up a lie it's very easy to tell the truth over and over and over again the tell the truth is the truth you just tell a story about what happened if it's the truth you have to do is tell the truth over and over if you tell lies you have to work to tell lies you have to work to construct something that didn't happen. but after two hours of questioning the detectives know they're getting nowhere and move on to plan b. they pretend that joyce is the friend who suggested the self-defense ploy has confessed

she knew it was going to get a reaction, that's part of why she did it. to point that out, tweeting my vma performance has 306,000 tweets per minute, more than the blackout or super bowl. and she said exactly what she thought in her mtv documentary "the movement." >> it is a strategic hot mess. right now i am at a point in my career where i can be exactly who i want to be, just go for what you want to do. >> the controversy only fueled her confidence. in her next video, miem ee was sometimes naked while riding a wrecking ball and licking a sledgehammer. and this time she wanted to show something different. her vulnerability. ♪ >> two-thirds of the way through the song when the bridge hits and you really, you know, you see her shed a tear. >> a tear over a tortured romance, rumored to be out her fiance, liam hence worth. >> i think she wants to show the more sensitive side and not just the party girl side, too. >> soon after its release, "wrecking ball" became the number one song in the country. miley and liam announced they were breaking up for good. and s