if you go to "the economist" there are letters by sheila baer, by dodd, by frank, all of them defendingodd/frank. >> this is much more than political. >> what i'm saying is true. >> but i would argue something else which is tim geithner and the administration have been -- their rhetoric, their bark has been much harsher than ultimately their bite. >> none of the rules have gotten past at this point. so many of them haven't been implemented. >> more broadly, i think, the rules are not as harsh as some people expected. >> that's probably fair, too. >> there are a lot of rules that need to be written. i've been doing some research for this speech. at the chamber. and did you know that there are nine different reimbursement rules in obama care for being injured by a parrot? >> what? >> nine different reimbursement rates -- there's three different for being injured by a flaming water-ski in case that were to happen. >> you're lying, right? >> what's a flaming water-ski? >> it's a water-ski that somehow is on fire. >> specifically written for that or if you happen to have -- >> no, there's 14