so sheila benson -- what scribe what was funny about sheila be benson. >> sheila benson was -- okay,talking about the "los angeles times." you're talking about the main newspaper of the town of los angeles, where they make movies. so the first-string critic should be kind of an important person. they have a lot of sway. but the los angeles times had a penchant for choosing laughingstocks as their first-string critics. kevin thomas was a second-string critic for like three tenures. in the '80s when it came to sheila benson, she's like this schoolmarmish -- like cub scout den mother. that's just a buzzkill about everything. >> jimmy: uh-huh? >> the interesting thing about her is, it's not that she didn't have her own opinion. i think her writing bass the joke. but it's not that she -- [ laughter ] -- didn't have her own opinion that could work for her own constituency, right? it would be for "mccall's" magazine, something like that, not for the los angeles effing times. >> jimmy: i read about the book, i read about sheila. i'm also, at the same time, showing my kids "back to the future