c-span: and sheila brown. guest: and sheila brown, right. yeah. c-span: who's sheila brown? guest: she's a friend of our--brian brown's wife. they--and they have--own a kind of a normal castle or keep. c-span: is it--oh, maybe ask you a different way, how does it feel to be so public with your life? guest: i haven't had time to reflect on it since last september, how to be--because i've seen--i know people who are public because i used to hang around the lion's head bar in new york and i knew pete hamlin and people like that who'd been public for years and years and years. and i'd see them come and go and i--i'd be on the periphery of that crowd. and the--i was what they called in america 'only a teacher.' only a teacher. they're journalists and writers and poets. i'm only a teacher. and i was thre--i--i ki--i was always on the periphery. in a sense, i was like my father, an outsider. now people look at me--oh, they look at me. it's like ralph ellison's book, "invisible man," peop--the people don't see you until you d--i wrote a book. i taught for 27 years and nobody paid me