my undstanding from sheila jager is that she did not return any call or message fr david maraniss. so i was left with the impression that people had been told that there was a girlfriend named sheila, but they weren't certain for sure which sheila. i'm very happy that it took me until this point in time to finish this book in the way that i wanted to finish it, so that the public identification of sheila jager's decisive importance in barack obama's life took place only after barack had left the presidency, because i believe if sheila had been publicly identified in 2008 or 2012, i think the degree of paparazzi harassment she would have received, harassment that alex mcnear recounted to me experiencing when the maraniss book came out in 2012. so it's very much my hope that now post-presidency, sheila jager has received a whole lot less paparazzi attention that would have been the case. >> we'll go back to the estion about i thini remember you saying that he propod to her twice. >> oh, yes. >> and was involved with her after he started dating michelle. >> yes. barack and sheila begin

brian: when was the moment that sheila jager learned about his destiny? d: sheila dates it to early 1987, the spring of 1987. her testimony on this is very powerful. with some of his community organizing buddies in 1987, 1988, barack would talk about being interested in a political career, becoming mayor of chicago. because harold washington, the first black mayor of chicago, who ended up dying suddenly, tragically in 1987, he was a very formative political presence for barack, even though they barely met. brian: i want to run a clip of harold washington for those who don't remember him when he was the mayor of chicago, and then we will come right back to this. video clip] >> we don't want anything we don't learn. we are not taking anything. we just want a fair share for all the people in the city. now, i happen to be talking to a black audience, but you understand i've got to be fair to everybody. and i will be fair to everybody. but i'm going to insist that for the first time, the city is fair to you. [end video clip] brian: you were talking about barack

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political aspirations and since of destiny lead him to push sheila jager aside. during that time, there was a well-known political figure in chicago. hugely respected man. senator did newhouse who everybody in black chicago elite could never go higher because he was married to a white woman. it is in itself political tradition of black chicago in the late 1980's, the early 1990's that for a black man to aspire to represent black chicago, it is necessary to have a black spouse. announcer: on queuing day. &a."q >> c-span, where history unfolds daily. in 1979, c-span was created as a public service by america's cable television programs and brought to you today by your cable or satellite provider. announcer: welcome back. frank morris is with us. he directs the latin and center at florida international university and we are talking about the future of u.s.-cuba policy under the trump administration. yesterday, as you well know, president trump said he was canceling as what he views the obama administration's completely one-sided deal with cuba. he did less than that

. >> i think barack's political aspirations and sense of destiny lead him to push sheila jager aside.uring that time, there was a well-known political figure in chicago, hugely respected man, , who theyck newhouse did not believe could go higher because he was married to a white woman. so it is in the political tradition of black chicago and the late 1980's, in the early 1990's, that for black men to aspire to represent black chicago, it is necessary to have a black thousand. >> syed -- sunday night at 8:00 eastern on c-span's "q&a." afterwards,ght on utah republican senator mike lee talks about forgot historical figures who plot against big government in his book. senator lee is interviewed by no caps off. >> they come to gradually. i asked friends and other people i knew who they thought should get more credit than they get? indian chieff -- from a tribe and understood federalism because he lived for centuries. i was intrigued by that from the not a namese he is that most people know about, yet he had a profound impact on our system of government because he is the guy who enabled be

. >> i think that barack's political aspirations and sense of destiny lead him to push sheila jager aside. during that time, there was a well-known political figure in chicago. hugely respected man. senator dick newhouse. whom everybody in black chicago believed could never go higher because he was married to a white woman. so it is in the political tradition of black chicago in the late 1980s in the early 1990s that for a black man to aspire to represent black chicago it is necessary to a black spouse. >> sunday night at 8:00 eastern on c-span's q & a. >>> coming up next, discussion on the changing alliances between israel and arab states in the middle east. we'll hear about the ongoing dangers of isis and the impact of the iranian nuclear deal. this was held recently by the hudson institute. >> good afternoon. very nice to see a really large lovely audience. it's for a really fantastic panel. also wanted to welcome our c-span audience who will be watching this excellent panel which i want to address. first introduce the panelist. to my immediate right is hillel fradkin . a colleague her

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