. >> well, we interviewed a source, shelby steele of the hoover institution, and he makes the point thatf a secret weapon, a secret sauce. and what was that? the promise of racial redemption. there's a deep desire in america to get beyond our racial history. so it's almost like by voting for obama, we all get to feel really good about ourselves, and obama benefited from that politically. >> do you think the american people, though, are that shallow, that we would vote for someone to feel good about ourselves? i mean, this is the future of the country. >> but randi, that's not shallow at all. it's the deepest american aspiration to live up to our country's high ideals, and our country is based on the idea that we're all created equal, we're moral equals in the eyes of god. so, the idea of trying to find a president who embodies that aspiration, far from being shallow, actually reflects the best of the american character. >> dinesh d'souza, nice to chat with you. a lot more i wish we could chat about, but we don't have the time this morning. but thank you very much. >> my pleasure. >>> for