mark: shelby steele, affirmative act will it ever end? >> not for a long time. mark: why?t affirmative action. without the idea of a preference you grant victims, the left has no power, no way to keep this whole machinery going. so it just they just find new and different more inventive ways of using preferences. to send the signal that we're innocent. at harvard university, sa 8 to 9 percent of every freshman class has to be black. if you didn't lower the standards, for admission, probably only 1% would be black. they would be ones who earned it by merit, but they would be greatly out numbered by those who won it as a racial preference. in a sense white america saying we're redeeming ourselves this way, without us we would go back to old way. so, you know we have the finger in the dike. and so affirmative action is diversity, new incarnation. a idea with all sorts of perversion follow this this idea of diversity. mark: does it help camouflage failures of half a century of the left's agenda. >> yes. because you know, black america has to face some, why are we poorer now th

steele. jonathan swan and shelby holiday. shelby, he campaigned on this kind of rhetoric.e have seen other candidates for office campaign, but usually in office they retreat to the same posture on this. do you have a sense on how far he is willing to go on this? >> no. and that is what is scaring investors, economists. other times, with the paris climate of course, he makes a threat and does it. a lot of people looking at what he is saying and what his posture is. economists say tariff is not the way to go. china can't impose as many tariffs on us, but it has other levers to pull. it can weaken the currency. expect doing business in china, a lot of other ways to get back to the u.s. >> you are describing is a full-fledged trade war. and when it comes to the idea of triggering something of that scale, is there a red line right now? if this administration tries to do x, then we are in a trade war and no walking back from it. >> right now, it is gradual. he is looking at an additional 200 billion tariffs on china. it is a slow ramp up. the other countries aren't showing signs

decision e 5-4 shelby striking down decisions. we steel roe versus wade guaranteeing women the right to choose and we feel sit sense united. and we feel brown versus board of education. . it's so much more than individual cases. we have seen its ability to change the course of history when one considers the u.s. supreme court's decision in the case of plessy vs. ferguson, we know firsthand that the u.s. supreme court can turn the american dream into the american nightmare. without digressing, i must point out that to conclude that psychofan tick debut is where judge kavanaugh's views begin and end would be dangerously naive. the briefest examinations of his record reveals numerous positions contrary to the values held by most americans. he has opposed e.p.a. protections, workers' rights, consumer protections, and the right to choose. and his personal statements call to question his ability to be an independent check on the president, such as his declarations that investigations of presidents should be deferred while that president is in of