mark: shelby steele, ten years from now race relations in america, better or worse?akes me -- and i'm basically an optimist and i think in the long run we pretty much always work through these problems although painful as that working maybe. i think we ultimately will be able to do that and today you see signs of the less, so the this guilt and so forth, it's a preoccupation with its own innocence and you see that beginning to crack a little. people are saying no, no, i see through that. you are manipulating me. you are not planning to some real human pain or real difficulty. you are manipulative me. you are talking about a -- i'm supposed to get up in the morning and bel >> i am chris wallace. the president supreme court nominee heads for grilling on capitol hill as the nation says goodbye to a hero. >> he was honorable. always recognizing that his opponents were still patriots and human beings. >> what better way to get a nice laugh and make jordan i say nice things about him to a national audience. >>chris: we remember the legacy of senator john mccain as the nati

shelby steele. how are you, sir? >> i'm good.ark: great honor to see you. >> thanks for having me. mark: a fan of yours for years and years and years, first time we're meeting. >> it's mutual. mark: thank you. you are author, columnist, you've done documentary films, you're a senior fellow at stanford's hoover institution, you specialize in the study of race relation, multiculturalism, affirmative action, you were born in chicago, january 1, 1946. your father was a truck driver, met your mother ruth as a social worker working for the congress of racial equality. you hold a ph.d. in english from the university of utah, ma in socialology from southern illinois university. ba from koch college. latest book is great book too, shame, how america's past sins have polarized our country. you are a pretty courageous man in my view. you write things beautifully. your logic is outstanding. >> well, thank you. mark: and some people consider it controversial. i consider it common sense. you wrote a few months ago, in the "wall street journal,

the sales pitch is exactly the same that thomas, walter williams, shelby steele, have echoed in the pastf you don't offer a competitive product to the democratic party, the democratic party doesn't have to try, so all trump is saying and all the black intellectuals are saying, once the republicans offer a competitive product, finally the democrats will stop taking blacks for granted. >> that's a logical argument, greg, but the point is, that wasn't arguing for programs that, in fact, would bolster -- blacks or help the blacks. >> he's very open. >> prison reform, look at what the justice department in the trump administration has done. they have pushed back against republicans -- >> jeff sessions -- there are people within the president's circle, jeff sessions is awful when it comes to criminal justice. there are people inside the white house, gerald kushner is pushing prison reform. >> but it is going to happen. they have passed part of the bill. what they want. and, by the way, what the hell does he have to lose? can't we even look at unemployment? african-american unemployment. didn't

shelby steele, a great writer.e in the "wall street journal" yesterday about the left's obsession seems now with violence to pursue their goals. he said, the great crisis for the left today, the source of its angst and hatefulness, is its own encroaching obsolescence. they're flailing out now because they're becoming obsolete. what do you think? >> they have no clear leaders. they have no clear message. they're losing. we've seen it time and time again this year with the special elections. i anticipate there will be a red wave in november, not a blue wave. i think democrats are going crazy over this. they lost in 2016 i think they're still upset about this. david: in fact republican favorability right now is at a seven-year high. now at 45%. that is an increase of 9% from last year. >> not only is it at a high. they're also higher in their favorability compared to democrats. democrats have lower favorability percentage. people are happy with what the republicans have done specifically under our president with the e