at my friend shelby steele said the great secret is racism.ning there was a book published in 1780 purported to be the memoir of a slaveholder. i've forgotten the name a white guy.yo he said is this is how you control. you have to turn the young against the old bill skin against the dark skin the men against the women of. you have to keep them constantly fighting each other and the othert thing it did is they made it a crime to appoint african-americans to teach them to read and the institute for what they called monitor squads that went between the plantations every night to make sure this group script couldn't talk to that group. to me that magnificent thing aboutth african-american as they stay together. it didn't destroy them and they persisted in prevailed in the midst of this 400 year long oppression. to a b certain extent -- >> to find gourmet social justice. >> i gift. anybody? justice means making a rule so you justify it by making a rule. if you do this, this happens and if you do that, that happens. it's a rule. you can refer to it

>> i'm great friends with shelby steele and he said the great secret is racism in america is dead, it's been dead for a long time so what's happening with there's a book published in like 1780 and purported to be the memoir of a disabled or in the south and it might even be and i've forgotten the name, it was a white guy on the bunch of slaves. he saidhere's how you control slaves . he said you have to turn the young against the old, white skin against the dark skinned, the men against the women, the house slaves against the field slaves. keep them constantly fighting each other. and then the other thing that they did in the plantation era is they made it a crime for african-americans to read. it made it a crime to teach them to read and they instituted what they called squad that went between the plantations every night to make sure that this group talk to that group. you turn everybody against each other and to be one of the magnificent things about african america is they stay together. they didn't it didn't destroy them. that they persisted and prevailed in the midst of this horribl

for example milton friedman and tom so old and shelby steel victor davis hansen who can write so clearly i say can i have a secret weapon which is my wonderful assistant and the breast best that everyone in the world pam sousumel over there. and my other secret weapon is my wife who reads it and says dave we have to live here. with it, event or book? has most influenced your now this your revised thinking. well, i think it's you know a great trinity of the road to serve them by hayek and capitalism and freedom and common sense. and white guilt by shelby steele and the entire works of tom soule, you know, particularly ethnic america and economic facts and fallacy. i hope you probably know all the books. they're all of me. just page by page you read them and say, oh my god, that's so clear. how can i not have seen that before and it goes back to one of the people he studied with was of course milton friedman the university of chicago and i've read maybe true that friedman said to his doctoral students. i'm looking forward to your thesis. it can't be longer than 500 words that great. yeah.

so writing pros is a pain in the tush so we have these examples of victor davis hanson and shelby steelend those who come out and even with the w best editor in the world over there. [applause] and my other secret weapon is my wife who says we have to live here. [laughter]oa >> i think the road to serfdom and common sense that in particular on my god that so clear how did i not see that before? of course the first one was milton friedman that he said to his and i'm looking forward to your thesis that cannot be more than 500 words. >> i'm sorry i don't have more time but i am not sorry about the last hour. i knew this would be a wonderful experience but it has been a long time since i go to the gun shop. [laughter] standing i in line and then says file you are in a gun shop. [laughter] [applause]

shelby steel who was liberal at theec time. my sense is he drifted away. h i tend to focus. on the opinions rather than the extraf political activity. that's sort of what is interesting. if he's trying to create space create a space station for white conservativism. looking in we were talking about this.d. looking ahead the energy of the right wing jurisprudence. it seems that project, if it's for black people it's necessary and has been successful. return to the 19th century. >> i think if you put it in an honest w moment i'm not sure he would flench from that characterization. there is a fraternity from a radical reaction. you see it as a confirmation. it's a pessimistic and, you know, i'd like to go back into time.e bu it's a time travel thing. if he sees that return as a kind of opening up of possibilities. >> an argument that is introduced in the book and returned to the end of the book. it's not just in it's own right. it's quite influential. i get that all of the time. as a he's someone that channel certain currents in the political culture. the problem of white supre

shelby steele who was liberal at the time he became more conservative. my sense is that he's drifted away. i tend to focus once he gets onto thes court i focus on the opinions rather than the kind of extra political activities. >> that is what is interesting because if t thomas is trying to create a space which he seems to have done in the course of the support is create a space for the radical right. we were talking about this backstage looking ahead. the energy for the people influenced. it seems as if that project if it's for black people it hasn't necessarily been successful but what has been successful is providing the legal architecture for a 1 return to a kind of 19th century state. >> i think that's right. i think if you were to put the question to him in an honest moment i'm not sure he would flinch from that because the 19th 19th century for him is this golden age. there is this not just kind of radical reaction and white nationalist i think thomas wouln see that as a kind of familiar confirmation of a pessimistic and yet he said i want to go b

writers, thinkers intellectuals shelby steele and glenn lowery they had a huge impact on my intellectual development and on my thinking about race incu particular. as well as economics, politics and some other issues. that is where i got my start. i interned at usa today i've been six months after graduation, i joined the wall street journal. i've been writing for that newspaper ever since. rex many viewers and readers the wall street journal the issues of some people talking about tromso personality from the issues of truckck policies. ycan you give us a little bit before going to the substance of the book can you give us a little bit of insight behind the scenes about a murder merged. we saw on the editorial page editors were at journalists who were doing their job. their job was to cover this president the way they had covered previous presidents in terms of analyzing his policies. what he set out to do, whether he accomplished it and what kind of impact it had it. the journal did do plenty of chcriticizing president trump's character and twitter feed. and all of the rest. o but they

i discovered writers intellectuals like shelby steele and they had a huge impact on my intellectual development and my thinking about recent particular as well as economics and politics and other issues. that's where i got my start. i interned at "usa u today" durg college and then six months after graduation he joined "the wall street journal." i've been writing for that newspaper ever since. >> jason i think many viewers and readers of "the wall street journal" that kind of impressed with the journal editorial page separating the issues of some people talking about trump's personality from the issues of trump policies. give us, before we get into the substance of the book can you give us a little bit of insight behind the scenes and how that emerged? .. was to cover this president the way they had covered previous presidents in terms of his analyzing his policies what he what he set out to do whether he accomplished it and and what kind of impact it it had and and and what kind of impact it had. in the journal did do plenty of criticizing of president trump's character, twitter feed and all t

i i discovered writers thinkers intellectuals like thomas sole and shelby steele and glenn lowry and they had a huge impact on my my intellectual development and on my thinking about race in particular as well as economics and politics and and some other issues. so so that's where i got my start. i i interned at usa today during college and then about six months after graduation. i joined the wall street journal and and i've been writing for that newspaper ever since so jason, i think many viewers and readers of the wall street journal were kind of impressed with the journal editorial page separating the issues of some people talking about trump's personality from the issues of a trump policies. can you kind of give us a little bit before we get into the substance of the book? can you kind of give us a little bit of insight behind the scenes sort of how that emerged? well, i i think what you saw there on the from the editorial page editors were journalists who were doing their job their job was to cover this president the way they had covered previous presidents in terms of his analy

but so there's a group of black conservatives and he was a part of shelby steel who became you know was liberal at the time. he became more conservative my sense disease drifted away some of that, you know, i tend to focus once he gets onto the court. i really focus on the opinions rather than the kind of extra mural political activity. and that's sort of what's interesting because if thomas is trying to create space for a black conservatism what he seems to have done over the time of his course of time to support it creates space for of a i mean a radical right conservatism right white conservatism rather. yeah that looking in we were talking about this backstage looking ahead. the energy in a right-wing jurisprudence is with thomas and his. sort of for his the people. he's influenced kavanaugh right gorsuch, right, so it seems as if that project hasn't if it's for black people. yeah hasn't necessarily been successful but has been successful. it's providing the legal architecture for a return to a kind of you know, 19th century stadium. i think that's right and i think if you were to p

gone sort of all over the place, but there's a group of black conservatives he was a part of, shelby steeleo became, you know, was liberal at the time and became more conservative. my sense is he's drifted away, some of that. i tend to focus, once he gets onto the court i focused on the opinions rather than the kind of extramural political activity. >> that's sort of what's interesting. if thomas is trying to create space for a black conservativism, what he seems to have done over the time, course of the time in court is create space for a radical right conservativism, white conservativism, rather, that looking and we're talking about this back stage, looking ahead, the energy in a right wing jurisprudence is what thomas and his sort of-- for his, the people he's influenced, kavanaugh, gorsuch. >> right. >> so, it seems as if that project hasn't -- if it's for black people, it hasn't necessarily been successful, but what has been successful is providing the legal architecture for a return to a kind of, you know, 19th century state. >> i think that's right. and i think if you were to put the