shellenberger? mr. shellenberger: i read that. ms. plaskett: did you know he received part of the funding from saudi arabia as well as qatar. mr. shellenberger: i heard that. ms. plaskett: one of those individuals who owns while he has canadian citizenship, he is a chinese national, were you aware that have? mr. shellenberger: tkphoeut know that. ms. plaskett: and that he stated that was for the cause. thank you very much for answering my questions. i yield back. chair jordan: the chair recognizes the gentlelady from wyoming. for five minutes. would the gentlelady yield for 20 phebgdz? i thank you for yielding. i think this is interesting. first the f.t.c. is asking for your background. now the ranking member of the committee on the weaponization of government is asking for your sources. ms. plaskett: i never asked them for their sources. i did not ask for sources. chair jordan: the gentlelady is not recognized. ms. plaskett: you are not going to say -- chair jordan: i yield back to the gentlelady. i thank her for yielding. ms. plaske

shellenberger we will start with mr. shellenberger. you have five minutes and be sure to speak in the microphone so they can here. when it turns big yellow it's time to start winding up and we will be lenient on the time. mr. shellenberger you are recognized for your opening statement. >> members of the committee thank you very much for inviting my testimony. the 1961 farewell address present like eisenhower warned of quote unwarranted influencers by the military-industrial complex. eisenhower feared the size and power of the complex of government contractors and defense departments could endanger our liberties or democratic processes. through code domination of the nation's scholars budget allocations and power of money public policy would become captive of the technological elite. eisenhower's fears were well-founded. today american taxpayers are unwittingly financing the growth and power of the censorship industrial complex run by america's scientific and technology -- which endangers our our liberties and box is. i'm grateful for t

shellenberger pointed out the reportg information l s run on we, the people. and if that is n the weaponization of government, i don't know what is. i want to thank the witnesses for being here today i will yield for an opening statement. >> before my opening statement, as a point of order it's my understanding one of the witnesses within the last half an hour released additional information that the republicans may and you as the majority may have been ableo review and have informati about if that information is in fact goingo be used atat this hearing. on the point of oer to be recognized the democrats have not been able to review or see any of thatie information. will you be using any of the information tt has recently beenec released by -- will you e using any of that informati? >> whatever informati our staff s put together. >> have you had that information before the hearing began? >> we used all information given to our staff and to makeure -- >> any information youave not shared with u >> wthink it w posted online. >> jt within the last0 minutes but it

are laying out and i happen to know shellenberger personally.are liberals. they are lefties. i would go out on a limb and i can't swear to this but neither one of them have ever voted for republican. and certainly don't consider themselves right-leaning or conservative or anything like that. so a lot of their motives have been in fumed by congress today and it is shameful and embarrassing. as for the content they are talking about my wish this was surprising but those paying attention to this for a couple of years, we all sort of knew something was going on now. now we are finding out basically our worst fears have become true. i think you know, john, i was up with elon and i met a few engineers there. after i met with elon at the end of the meeting, there was no intention i would release any information or anything. i said to him quite honestly, "hey, do you mind if i tell people what i saw today?" his exact words without hesitating for as long as it is true. the idea that this guy has a political bent or somehow manipulating information or man

shellenberger, did mr. musk contact you? >> actually, no. >> mr.iasy, have you had conversations with elon musk? >> i have. >> okay. mr. taibbi, did mr. musk place any conditions on the use. >> would the gentle lady yield for a second? >> as long as my time is used. >> are you trying to get journalistic sources? >> i am thought. >> it sounds like it? >> nope. >> jesse: it doesn't stop there. the democrats are out for blood. they want to punish journalists for blowing up the silent censorship arm of the democratic party. these reporters need to be broken just to send a message to the rest of the press don't cross the line so you are not requesting to tell you when musk first approached you. >> congressman, you asking me to. >> you consider mr. musk to be the direct source of all of this? >> no, no. you are trying to get me to say that he is the source. >> well,. >> i can't answer your question. >> either he is or he isn't. if you are telling me you can't answer because it's your source, well only logical conclusion is that he is, in fact, your souse

mike shellenberger made it clear. i voted for joe biden.me from a long line of liberal families. a lot of people consider me a liberal journalist. he goes i'm just a journalist. they tried to marginalize him if they were conservatives just there because jim jordan had him over for lunch one day. they missed the whole story, which is the exposure of the manipulation of one of the main twitter -- social media platforms in the world during our most critical time, an election. i thought the rubber would hit the road when it came to who they might have voted for. they just focused on sources. elon musk for billions and said take a look at what went on. he just revolutionized social media and possibly opened the door to honesty when it comes to social media from here on in. and maybe gave them a way to attack frazier. but, instead, they just go after the guys that came forward. >> ainsley: said so-called journalists both looked at each other. matt taibbi which you didn't see in that piece. matt taibbi said so-called journalist i have won the nati

by the way, we are going to see shellenberg and taibbi.yet. go tell what happened at twitter. why are they so concerned about internal communication at twitter that might reveal the operations of a major company that effects the freedom of speech in america. this is absolutely insane. >> steve: well, some of those journalists you just mentioned michael shellenberger his response was it's a shameful case of weaponization of a government agency for political purposes and suppression of the truth. this is an outrageous attack. >> brian: no kidding. >> steve: attack on the first amendment. elon musk says a shameful case of weaponization of government agency for political purposes and suppression of the truth and matt taibbi said this is insane overreach. okay, now, keep in mind, this is the ftc, the federal trade commission. why would they be looking into a social media company? well, what they say is they were worried about as soon as elon musk took over, and he started firing people, that staff reductions would impact twitter's ability to pr

congressman, michael shellenberger testifies it's not a slippery slope.s an immediate leap, he said, into a terrifying mechanism we only see in totalitarian societies. we've seen the censorship industry go from, well, we're just fighting isis, to now we need to fight chest cantic misinformation. concern the domestic misinformation. that's on their terms, they get to decide. >> not only do they get to decide, but, you know, putting it in another concept, you know, if you were being tried for some crime and only the prosecutor got to present the case, what was the chance that you could actually prevail no matter how strong your defense is if you don't get to provide it? the same is true when one side is called disinformation and eliminated from the public debate, and it doesn't matter whether it's vaccines or it's the message of one political party or another. we can't have it because if we have it, we don't get a democracy ever again. everyone knows that, even the democrats know this is not good for democracy even though in the short term it has been good

this never would have happened if you were the governor alas, michael shellenberger, thanks so much.ie smollett the midnight foot long lover? here is the body cam footage we got a while back. paper mache noose he got from the craft store. in the middle of fabricating a hate crime on hisself. hired the two nigerian body builders to yell racial slurs and beat him. the two brothers recently went on fox nation and walked us through jesse's entire plan. >> i remember, man, we was in character the whole time. i was in my bubba character. yeah, we are going to get them. >> yeah. this maga country. batch when we see that [bleep] >> empire [bleep] [bleep] >> what is black power? his building is actually right here. right above the stairs that we're going to attack him at. we made sure we got there at 2:00 a.m. sharp. >> on the dot. >> on the dot. we had no phones because he did not want us to bring any phones. he said so we don't lose him. >> jesse: no phones, smollett didn't want to document his crimes like hunter? maybe he is smarter. after all the man was never afraid of the camera. he onc

here's shellenberger. >> maybe it's a coincidence that the irs happened to visit matt taibbi on the day on the weaponization of the fed federal government against american citizens or maybe somebody was trying to send a message. at a time when we have sear yess questions about whether or not the irs or fbi are weaponized against the american people, i don't think it's the time to have a new building or new staff. >> people will say i'm being naive. it's hard to fathom there are people in the government who are willing to use the wheels of government which were intended for the benefit of the country, that they're willing to use the wheels for their own purposes and that's the swamp that a certain politician we all know was talking about and the swamp is still you alive and well. maria: if they were doing that and not directed by somebody else, who direc direct lois lean the obama years. >> kudos for elon musk for giving up this information. maria: they hate him too. >> if you look at the cozy relationship between twitter and the government it was too cozy. i think that's the bigger prob

witness michael shellenberger. >> because of what i was seeing happening.y that freedom of speech would be threatened in this way. it is frightening when you get into it. the most recent -- our most recent discoveries is that we first raised a bunch of concerns around the way twitter pre-elon musk was censoring people and creating black lists. quickly we discovered we had f.b.i. agents basically and other government officials demanding that twitter take certain actions. we now know that the department of homeland services which has had -- security, department of homeland security had tried to create a disinformation board. that went away after public backlash but realize they have this other enterprise and building out basically mechanisms to proliferate a censorship industrial complex around the country to censor on a range of issues. you've seen the censorship industry go from we're fighting isis to fighting russian disinformation botts to now we need to fight domestic misinformation saying we need to fight against people who are saying things we disagree

lists who brought >> michael shellenberger is ones of the journalists who brought us this information, is the founde infjoined ur, the subjecs who joins us tonight.t michael schumacher, thank you so much. therfor coming on . i mean, there's so much to the story. we could spend three hours. we probably should. >> but how did you respond lito statements like that in the u.s. congress? >> a sitting member of congress saying that what>> ver was a vey disturbing event, tucker, as you as you pointed out, i mean, thispo is they then proceeded to demand to know who our sources were, which, of course, we were unwillingit's a to share with them. te and it's importantcontext we. ss >> remember the context here. we were revealing here, this is way beyond woke censorshipn within twitter. >> we've twitter, now discovered a censorship industrial complex that includes government funded entities that are doing state sponsored censorship and it includes department of homelanda ,the department of homelanndd security agencies. >> we have the fbi involve id. n they've now working with the national science

brian: shellenberger said i voted for biden. what are you talking about? if you don't watch our handle you are missing the biggest story, the twitter file story. i'm furious with eric adams. he has a great idea to take illegal immigrants and put them up in fancy hotels. and now send them to college upstate 100 at a time. >> when i sit in my wonderful home in louisiana, i think it would be so much easier -- i think at times it would be so much easier not to have to fly and spend four nights a week in a hotel. and just move to new york. then he speaks, and i think it's not that bad. brian: it will incentivize more could come to new york. now, you tell them you are going to send them to college for a year. kayleigh: are americans without college degrees are the ones who get shot of thed. mayor adams, this is like a relationship with a really bad boyfriend back when i dated. he shows up with roses on monday and talks about separation of church and state and crime but by friday he's cheating on you with the other side. he's playing it both ways. he's a pop item

but what is extraordinary about what happened to me and michael shellenberger. they would never treat a "new york times" or "washington post" reporter like that and suggest it was somehow wrong for a reporter to make money, which came out during the hearing. they asked if i had been paid to testify which was outrageous. they call this a direct threat to people who oppose them. that's dangerous language for the government to talk about with journalists. they would never do that some somebody they consider one of their own. a typical mainstream reporter. that was very disturbing what happened yesterday. dan: i don't know your politics, and i don't care. but i know you are a journalist, not a so-called journalist. it's guys like you who will save the journalism space. whenever democrats are faced with the truth, what do they do? they play the race card. >> one of these so-called energy experts is a philosopher who has previously is paused white supremacist views. dan: if you are white, and you drive, you are part of the problem too. unfortunately i'm not kidding. p

. >> todd: joe, it should be noted that the person who labeled taibbi and shellenberger so-called journalistlly herself a so-called congresswoman because she is not a voting member. that point needs to be made. the irony is rich. meantime dr. anthony fauci disputes redfield's testimony that he was purposefully from the talks. >> is he totally incorrect in what he is saying that i excluded him. it looked much more likely that it was a natural occurrence from an animal reservoir. i have always kept a completely open mind joe, someone is lying is it redfield or fauci. >> i will go for redfield for 400 here, right? this is the dr. fauci once declared i am the science, unquote. it is amazing, even now, when the fbi, the energy department, say that covid -- that originated in wuhan, china, most likely came from a lab that studies, you know, bat viruses in wuhan, china. it's like we have talked about here. the greatest -- if there is a chocolate outbreak in hershey, pennsylvania, the first place we would look if that happened would be, you know, the chocolate factory. fauci will never admit that he

fellow journalist michael shellenberger questioning the timing of the visit. >> maybe it is a coincidence irs visited matt taibbi on the day he was testifying on the weaponization of the federal government against american citizens. or maybe someone trying to send a message. if the latter, obviously, deeply inappropriate and illegal because extremely troubling and we see irs being weaponized against matt taibbi. >> matt taibbi tweeting "for those asking come i don't want to comment on the irs pending jim jordan's letter." i'm not worried for myself but the committee should be aware of the situation pure the congressman's letter demanding answers on what prompted the visit. >> while he is a testifying award-winning journalist testifying before congress on the weaponization of the federal government testified in the committee hearing and democrats asking who his sources are violating the first amendment and attacking the first amendment. while that is going on guess what they irs knocking on his door and said "we will be back in touch with you over the weekend on the following monday." >> r

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michael shellenberger is one of the journalists who brought us this information he joined us tonight.so much we could spend three hours who probably shouldn't. how did she respond to steams like that in the u.s. congress? sitting member of congress saying that? >> very disturbing event as you pointed out then proceeded to demand to know who our sources were which of course we were unwilling to share with them it's a terrible the context we were revealing this is way beyond woke censorship within twitter, we have now discovered a censorship industrial complex that includes government-funded entities that are doing state-sponsored censorship and includes to permit the permit f homeland security, the fbi is involved, now working with the national finals plantation to make $40 worth of grants and universities around the country. all done in the name of fighting disinformation, but in fact are spreading disinformation, spreading conspiracy theories as we saw them do what the russia gate, we saw them spread the conspiracy theories are on hunter biden's laptop. they're now seeking widespread

two journalists, matt taibbi and mark shellenberger talked about how the platform controls what we doe of the government to nazi germany. the censorship industrial complex, a group of state agencies and news media hold regular meetings, creating a disinformation manifesto that didn't stop at philosophy. matt taibbi elaborated on twitter these agencies took proactive steps, quote, e-mails from the fbi, dhs and other agencies came with spreadsheets of hundreds or thousands of account names for review, often would be deleted soon after. they dug into the impacts, democrats have a different approach. there were a number of colorful moments including multiple attempts to track the journalists into revealing their sources and questioned their ethics. >> you on musk spoonfed you his cherry picked information which you must of suspected promotes a slanted viewpoint or at the very least generates another right-wing conspiracy theory. you violated your own standard. >> reporter: elon musk wasn't present but loomed large over the hearing, house democrats claiming he is working with republicans t

everybody on the democrat side of the aisle like the two heroes of liberal journalists, michael shellenbergerd they were fantastic, and it is astonishing as it is a part of this chilling episode of which we have only seen the tip of the iceberg, these gentlemen and several others have become with several parts of the twitter files is just the surface part above the water, laura, there is the censorship and industrial complex that is burgeoning across, i mean, it has covered the federal government, all of these ngos and only the several journalists are standing up and boy, the ruling class in the democratic party are hostile and they are belittling and trying to destroy folks like those who are speaking out to lead the american people know what is happening. >> laura: the fact is that the democrats policies are not working, they have no growth, not going to have any growth the next year. so it's over. their policies have failed. so now all they are left with is racial fearmongering, and censorship, and basically deciding to shut down free speech. that's all they are left with. i don't know whe

weaponization of the government and big tech censorship, journalist matt taibbi and author michael shellenberger twitter files defending their work. virgin islands delegate stacy mocked the titles and congresswoman garcia appear to get them to reveal the services in article out today on the whole firestorm. let's bring in jonathan turley, fox news contributor, george washington university law professor and constitutional law attorney. thank you so much for joining us. we appreciate it. can you go a little more and talk about these accusations that the government has been what a nice when they talk about looking into the journalist and a centering what's being said or not said on twitter? >> christina, every day we seem to get more indications of how broad this effort was by the biden administration to engage in essentially censorship by surrogate using social media companies and others to target and silence american citizens. it's a very serious allegation and instead of supporting the call to investigate to find out the scope of these activities, the democrats opposed every effort but what's mo

shellenberger described this censorship industrial complex where they work with the private social media and keep information from we the people. i find it hard to believe it's a co incident. maybe it is. i think most americans are asking, what's going on here. >> martha: i think it's a very understandable question. john kirby was asked about it as well at the white house. here's what happened then. >> if you can respond to this taibbi visit by the irs and say this is part of a campaign to harass him. >> i'm afraid i have to refer you to the irs. >> no answers there, congressman. >> the ftc looks like they were trying to intimidate journalists. it sure looks like the irs is trying to intimidate and remember. this irs under obama targeted conservative groups. we know that happened, the inspector general issued the report. here we are 12 years later and the same thing is going on. >> martha: not a lot of subtlety if this is the case. that's not really their strong suit if it turns out not to be just a coincidence. congressman jordan, thanks for being here today. take care. so as i was sayi

talk to jim jordan who worked closely for the testimony that was around matt taibbi and michael shellenberger you learned, the irs showing up at taibbi's house the day that he was testifying. so we'll talk to jim jordan, the chair of that committee when he joins us tomorrow. that is "the story" for today. great to have you with us today. have a wonderful afternoon. i'll see you back here tomorrow. >> they're upstairs. >> give me three. let's get three. >> let's go. let's go. i need three. >> one more. one more. >> let's go.

jordan who worked closely for the testimony that was around matt taibbi and michael shellenberger when they went through the twitter files. now as you learned, the irs showing up at taibbi's house the day that he was testifying. so we'll talk to jim jordan, the chair of that committee when he joins us tomorrow. that is "the story" for today. great to have you with us today. have a wonderful afternoon. i'll see you back here tomorrow. >> they're upstairs. >> give me three. let's get three. >> let's go. let's go. i need three. >> one more. one more. >> let's go. metro police. >> neil: body cam footage showing metro national police storming the school. they tracked down the suspect, neutralized the shooter in a second floor lobby. the police chief praising the officer's quick actions. >> i was impressed with all that was going on, the danger that somebody took control and said let's go, let's go, let's go and went in and took care and just tried to end a situation. >> neil: in a moment, we're going to speak with andrew pollack, whose daughter was among 17 people killed in the parkland hig

. >> dana: two of the witnesses were journalists taibbi and shellenberger. let's listen to this and have you explain what happened here. >> you consider mr. musk to be the direct source of all of this? >> you are trying to get me to say he is the source i can't answer your question. >> if you are telling me you can't answer because it's your source the only logical conclusion that he is in fact your source. >> you are free to conclude that. >> i've never seen anything like it. it was wild. prior to that exchange with representative garcia and taibbi we saw a ranking member call them so-called journalists implying they're not real journalists despite the fact have multiple "new york times" best sellers, 30 years in the industry. so again this really was case in point of the assault of our first amendment rights. you had big government entity like congress, members of congress trying to coerce these witnesses into giving up their sources. it is what we've been talking about the entire time. >> dana: i have a little sound from this congresswoman. >> i'm not exa

taibbi and shellenberger by name. they testified the next day in front of our committee. >> i.r.s. refused to comment directly about this to fox business and directed us to their general website about how the i.r.s. contacts taxpayers, harris. >> harris: edward, thank you very much. republican congressman james comer of kentucky, chairman of the house oversight committee in "focus" now. great to see you today. first of all, do you believe that this was a coincidence that the f.b.i. went to a journalists home at the same time that journalist was testifying on capitol hill? >> no, i do not. >> harris: i.r.s., i'm sorry. >> no, i do not. another example of this administration weaponizing the federal government. the odds of the i.r.s. visiting matt taibbi the day after he testified to congress about government abuse and government corruption and government overreach, it's one in 10 million. then just look at what the government is doing to jim jordan and myself, the two lead investigators in trying to determine at what level the government has been weaponized. they are attacking us eve

shellenberger by name. those journalists testified in front of our committee.ing that committee hearing, journalists democrats were asking these two journalists who are your sources, a direct attack on the first amendment. while they're asking those kind of questions, the day after the ftc did what they did, a person from the irs who shows up at matt taibbi's home. didn't call his accountant, didn't call him, showed up at his home, left a note, said we'll be back in touch on monday. he had, think about what that means for a typical family. think about that the whole weekend for goodness sake? liz: right. >> this is frightening stuff. looks like intimidation of some sort. again why we want to know what communications were. were there more than just irs involved. was it more than new 87,000 agents hired for the $87 billion. i don't know we'll try to get answers to all those questions. liz: we're on the story. treasury secretary janet yellen testify about this today. watch this? >> i also sit on the house weaponization select subcommittee. couple weeks ago we have

speak to you and michael shellenberger on the same page here.e's what he says california used to be like. he said "california boasted a pioneering public education system where every child no matter how poor could receive a good education. it had affordable suburbs built around nuclear families, growing and quadrupling its population after world war ii. in a word, california represented progress. now the state has become america's shadow self. it took a long time for it to get there, but it is they are. it's a way different place than it used to be. >> exactly, and people need to remember, we focus a lot on gavin newsom for obvious reasons, he is a figurehead in terms of state leadership, but a lot of these terrible policies are coming out of state legislature, there you have had total democratic control of both chambers for 25 plus years. a quarter of the century, no republican involvement really and the laws and regulations that come out that affect the state. just one thing i would pick up from what my goal quite rightly rode in terms of the

michael shellenberger one of the other journalists who looked at the twitter files said this yesterday >> maybe it's a coincidence that the irs happened to visit matt taibbi on the kay that he was testifying on the weaponization of the federal government against american citizens. maybe somebody sending a message. if it's the latter it this is deeply inappropriate and maybe illegal. i'm very glad to see that congressman jordan is going to be looking into this. obviously there has got to be some paper trail on this. we need to see what is going on because it's extremely troubling if, indeed, we have seen the irs being weaponized against matt tiberiasy. >> brian: just think about what we're all in for with the 80,000 extra agents that are now fortified by that ridiculous rescue plan the president jammed down our throats that jacked up inflation which we're still living with. >> steve: fdr used the irs to harass newspaper publishers who opposed the new deal. jfk used the irs to attack tax exempt status of conservative organizations and richard nixon's white house gave the irs a list of ta

. >> the new house subcommittee on the weaponization of government hosting michael shellenberger andatt taibbi two of the independent journalists who released what became known as the twitter files to the world. >> even with twitter, you cannot find actual evidence of any direct government censorship of any lawful speech. and when i say lawful, i mean noncriminal speech. >> first amendment is not absolute. >> robert kennedy jr. is talking about -- he is talking about hank aaron's death after he received the vaccine that's what the tweet is about. >> showed the link between twitter and fbi. >> if the alarm bells are not going off then you are not paying attention. >> also the social media giant's suppression of the hunter biden laptop story leading up to the 2020 election. >> then you have the former general counsel to the fbi jim baker, the former deputy chief of staff to the fbi both arriving at twitter in the summer of 2020, which i find what an interesting coincidence. >> democrats hammered both witnesses. >> elon musk spoon fed you his cherry picked information which you must hav

journalist matt tabby and mark shellenberger were given access to internal twitter communications by elon mask following his takeover of the company. the reporters argued that their findings showed that in the past governmental bodies work together with twitter to censor conservative viewpoints, for example, they claimed the fbi paid twitter to suppress the hunter beina laptop story, something that the fbi has denied. but we found in the files was a sweeping effort to reverse that promise and use machine learning and other tools to turn the internet into an instrument of censorship and social control. unfortunately our own government appears to be playing a lead role the republicans have brought in two of elon musk public scribes. to release cherry picked out of context, emails and screenshots designed to promote his chosen narrative. the hearing also focused on the ongoing ftc investigation of data security at twitter. twitter employees have raised concerns about privacy following musk's release of the huge trove of internal communications. all right, coming up here on the four we c

do the twitter files matt taibbi and michael shellenberger and others.origins of the virus was brought up. where did it come from and why was anthony fauci so dug in when it was not from a lab leak? and what was happening behind the scenes? very few people know talk to robert red field excluded from the small network of people who were trying to find out the origin of the virus and how to treat it. >> ainsley: he was the direct director of the cdc. >> brian: did president trump even know about this. if redfield picked up the phone and said i'm not in on the decisions will that be okay? >> ainsley: he was shut out completely. >> brian: here he is. >> on february 1st, fara convened a meeting of 11 top scientists across five time zones and asked dr. fauci to join and he wrote, quote. my preference is to keep this group really tight. obviously ask everyone to treat in total confidence, unquote. dr. redfield, you were excluded from this call. >> i felt it was not scientifically plausible that this virus went from a bat to humans and became one of the most inf

what shellenberger was getting at, the ftc and government agencies, the administrative state some wouldial media organizations and telling them that these are the people that you need to crack down on. tell us about the evidence for that. >> well, yeah, they funded these ngos from various neal agencies and they all work together to pressure social media and in many ways pressure mainstream media to limit certain types of speech to take down accounts. there was the third day in the white house of the biden administration, there was an e-mail to twitter saying take down this tweet asap. i mean, that is scary stuff. so when we talk about there being a threat to the first amendment and our two great witnesses today that said that, there is. we know that because we saw it in the committee itself. when two democrats said to the witnesses, two journalists, who are your sources? you can't do that. you had two members of the judiciary committee select subcommittee asking journalists to tell them what their sources is. >> martha: i want to play that moment here. watch. >> you asked me -- >> i ask

i appreciate these two journalists, shellenberger as well shep concern stepping out and exposing theirrns, again, left-wingers, about the the federal government involved in censoring speech. ronald reagan said freedom is only one generation from extinction. we're teaching a whole new generation that it's normal for the government to the step in and censor speech. that is frightening. this is foundation of democracy, debating ideas, having a conversation. it's a release valve for people. when they don't have the ability to speak and they're censored, bad things happen. you don't want to go to that place. stuart: no, we do not. sean, thanks for being with us. we will be watching you and dagen on "the bottom line," tonight, 6 p.m. eastern on fox business. >>> let's head down to the great state of texas, why not? for the american rodeo, why not? where will cain has a front row seat. give us a preview of the big event tonight. big prizes, i think, will. >> that's right, stuart. you're a farmer. get down here in texas, i'll turn you into a cow i do. larger -- cowboy. large largest single-day

on the democrat side of the aisle against theseat two heroes of liberal shelnalistes, michael shellenberger and matt taibbi. they were fantastic. t is and , you know, it is it is astonishing. it is a part of this chilling tt episode of which we'veip only seen the tip of the iceberg that these gentlemen and several others have begun with 17 parts of the twitter files. it's just the surface, the parts above the water law. there's this what they call censorship, industrial complex that is is burgeoning across. i meanac, it is covered.l of the whole federal government, all these ngos and only thesenl these several journalists areuri standingst up. and , boy, the ruling class inmc the democratic party are bel hostile and they are belittling and trying to destroy folksut like this who are speaking out to let the american people know what is happening. >> well, the fact is the democrats policies aren't no gr working right. the country has noow growth, no, going to have any growth next year. like one point six percent in. 2020 five . so it'polis it'scies over their policies have failed.h is so now

shellenberger question. >> yes, man. y very wise. not a journalist.a journalist. i'm sorry, sir.you work >> she's a journalist. wit he's a journalist. so you work in concert with her ? >> yeah. do you know when she first was contacted by mr. musk?ntacted cm i don't know.er >> yo u don't know? is is a >> so you're in this as a threesome. >> >> there was many more people involved in that. you you can't you can't make tos this up. no doubt.are a no doubt. there are a lot oflo stupi stupd people on capitol hill, especially in the democratic party, but they do need to kinpt of wak te up a little bit when high ranking unelected bureaucrats literally work hand in glove with big tech and tell them and to anticipate something that's going to happen. and it's probably going to be about joe biden or hunter biden because they already have the laptop that would be trying to censor speech, would it not? no one's rights are protected. d never be a partisanit issue here with reaction. he h is the founder, travis, in along with in studio our friendt boxset. contributor jason is he

michael shellenberger reported today that during a conference aboutcall about the silicon vay bank bailout, senator mark kelly asked representativess frt from the fed and the treasury tment and the department and th they had a way to censor information on social media to preventt a run on the banks. stephen , whether covid org something with ukraine owir their racism, racialization, racismn, censorshior they want censorship, period, and they don't need an excuse. thto censor. right. >> that's right. they wrote the playbook with covid and now they're using it for everything.an you can't question their narrative on ukraine. you certainly can't question their narrative on critical race theory and gender theory. and now yo u can'yot even questions a joe biden's banking policies without democrats, senators calling for you to be censored. this is marxism.onic as monica said . the this isn't the old schoolt we liberalism that we grew upthis with . this is authoritarian marxistdo trying to squelch the free speech and the freedom of americans . the agius ad that now that we know that joe biden does

michael shellenberger is a great piece on this today. massey was thinks fo on the cal. so think about this forat a a second. you've got r a deposit ating toa a regional bank that's holding tons way more than you know of a long term treasuries that are worth a lot less than they were when the bank bought them. >> that means that bank is at risk. that means your money is at kely risk. of arizon but senator mark kelly of arizona doesn't wantat want y tn about that. why wouldn't they want you in to know that kind of interesting, that kind of censorship could actually crush people. >> so we have to ask the obvious question, how close are we to some sorf t of disastr and to what extent are the people in charge abettingrun it to answer those questions?g >> vikram swami joins us . lon he is , of course, running fore president . >> he's also a longtime finance huy, a venture capitalist, ng on. so, first just knows the industry well, joins us now. >> thank you so much k fornow r on . so first mplicated ques, just and i knowe these are complicated questions, but just assess, if yo

shellenberger conveyed in our hearing a few weeks ago, again, the same time the irsdoo is showing up at histh door was what they called the censorship industrial complexe censor, wheg government pressures big tech and big media to limiten information, to restrict first amendment liberties so that we, infopeople don't get access to the information which should have certainly in the run upe hs to the most important election, we have election for president of the united states . sobefore, and yo this is scary i said before. at und you think about, as yo indicated, sean, this is almoste like the irs under obamad. i with lois lerner. the all that that happened looksy go like they're back. and remember, now that they're back, they got 80 billion dollars fors eighty seven thousand more irs agents in that last big spending bill . the democrats did. oh ake us rea, that should that shw make us really concern. when you think about the money n and resources they now have. and it looks w likhee what they were up to just a few weeks ago when matt taibbi was testifying in front of congress. all rig