our third witness is linda shel -- lynda shely. and the fourth is assistant professor, university of oregon school of law. i ask the witnesses to summarize their testimony in five minutes or less and to help you stay within that there is a timing light turns to green when you start to speak and turns to yellow at the end of four minutes. and 60 seconds we ask you to rap up your testimony in a cogent way. before i -- the witnesses will be sworn in. i ask that you please stand to be sworn in. raise your right hand. do you swear that the testimony before you that you are about to give before this committee is the whole, the -- the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth so help you god. let the record reflect that all the witnesses responded in the affirmative and i now recognize our first witness, dr. kutinsky. please proceed shortly after you turn on your microphone, please, doctor, you are recognized. dr. kutinsky: chairman king, ranking member cohen and members of the subcommittee. my name is dr. kutinsky that's practiced