wendy walsh and bring in shenay hall, a former nfl wife, and she's the author of "why do i have to thinkike a man, how do think like a lady and still get the man." wendy, let's talk about this 4 in 10 number, is it a sign of the times here? >> it is. i think the traditional marriage is slowly becoming extinct but it's giving way to something else. a lot of choices. the silver lining -- >> hold on, wendy. you said slowly becoming extinct. >> i think we're going back to something much more natural. our ancestors lived in communities where people were biologically connected and many generations helped raise children in almost a small tribe. many people had an interest in keeping those children healthy. the idea of taking a nuclear family, one man, one woman, having one be the provider and caregiver and fitting them in a home in the suburbs and leaving her isolated with the kids is not normal for our species. >> i'm watching shenay, you're shaking your head here. do you agree with that? >> i do, i do. i definitely think that just because of our foundation, our moral grounds that we're buildi