the average journalist is probably something like an 80, 90 or 100 on my scale, their political quo shenlt, that's what they feel in their heart, their reporting is much more had rate. -- moderate. the mainstream media is like 75, 65, maybe high 50s even though i think in their heart they would like to report something in the 80 or 90s. so journalists, i think, are moderating themselves. both sides. i think the same is probably true with fox news. is there a problem with the bias? no, i actually think it's good to have a variety. i do think there is a problem that among journalists it is overwhelmingly on the liberal side. if you look at surveys, they vote something like 92-8 for democrats. and i think in a hell hawaii democracy -- healthy democracy, it'd be something like 75-25. maybe even 50-50 would be optimal. >> host: chapter eight, an alien, conservative injected into a liberal newsroom and the topics she might cover. >> guest: this was, i found this great story about a woman named katherine, a reporter in min minneapolis, got a job at the "minneapolis star tribune." it turned out th