first president of the studies institute. 55 national review. 56, '60, the founding of yaf with the sherin statement. and on and on down through barry goldwater, what he did for barry goldwater was mentioned earlier, the unmaking of the mayor, his may yoral campaign where he not only proved that conservatism could be a vinyl force in the political arena, he actually used some people to come one new and sensible urban policies, things like urban enterprise zones, things like, hey, only collect the tolls on the bridges in and out of manhattan in one direction you'll get rid of half the toll takers and you'll be able to cut down the wait. you know, hey, only took them 30 years after that i think before they finally did it but that was one of his proposal way back then. he made conservatism respectable. he made it respectable for saint jim go on and become united states senator. he -- his reach was everywhere and the neat thing about it is he was -- he was a real human being and always an optimist. >> now my next question is this, when almost the first words i heard from you when i joined the