sherita. i'm not going to hurt you. it's all right, baby. where did the pump gun come from, john?threw it out the back window. is it loaded? yeah, this one's loaded. threw it right out there. he come out of this room. here's some shotgun shells. is that shotgun loaded, ronnie? yeah, it was. here's some more ammo. stanek: you never know in houses like these. you got so many people-- you can't watch everybody. a lot of times they'll come out with a gun. it only takes a second. he was smart enough to ditch the gun before we got here but it's still his. i told you there was two guns. under the couch? that's a big one. what is it? it's a model 19, it looks like. is that the other one? luby: how come you keep that under your couch cushion with all these kids around? that doesn't seem very smart. i told those people i didn't put it in the couch. a loaded shotgun out the window? a loaded gun in the closet? no wonder we got kids shooting each other. that shotgun was not loaded. how do you know that? there's been no loaded shotguns in this house. how do you know it wasn't loaded then? there