what happened was, in my opinion, breaking this down, sherlock holmes style. okay, this was dangle as though it might be some opposition research, negative information. and then when the meeting actually took place, it had nothing to do with that okay? >> okay. >> so, if you are a judge looking at all of this right now you are back at square one just saying okay, somebody had a meeting. nothing actually came out of that meeting, that made any material difference in terms of, you know, basically the trump campaign, i hate to use the word colluding because it doesn't mean much. but conspiring as judge nap tell us. conspiring. basically take this, steal this from hillary clinton. all of the experts have broken it down into two separate discussions. one how collusion is not in and of itself a criminal offense. that's correct. the other part is well, if there are other aspect to this involving exchange of money, things like that. and there has been zero evidence of any of that, then it's a different discussion. >> trish: one thing i want to point out before you go,